Moghrey Mie Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 9 minutes ago, Spyk3r said: My take on this is simply that people don't have resources available. There are a number of points which I have listed below; 1. Full time nursery care costs are in excess of £50 a day for a child aged 1-2. So if both parents are working full time - this bill can be in excess of £1050 a month. 2. People who have immigrated here don't have family support systems they had in their home country/country of origin. 3. When children get sick, they are excluded from Nursery (reasonably so), but you don't get the day fee back - so you end up losing out on the day fees of up to £100 as well as having to take time off work to tend to your sick child. 4. Housing costs (rent/mortgage/Gas/electric) have shot through the roof since covid and subsequently the Russian/Ukraine war and Gaza/Israel, and don't really look like they are coming down any time soon. Not to mention inflation has had a massive impact on cost of living - which I am sure we are all feeling at this point. Granted, these kids wouldn't be in school yet - they would likely still be in nursery still (Born during/after covid). But even from 2019 to now everything has increased in cost, and yet wages/salaries have remained largely the same or only slightly higher (unless you work for the largest employer on the Isle of Man of course). And families are entitled to more child care in UK. https://www.childcarechoices.gov.uk/upcoming-changes-to-childcare-support/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 the world is waking up to the fact that you can't have infinite growth with finite resources. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GD4ELI Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, Moghrey Mie said: Some of the smaller schools on the island would have been closed years ago in UK. Not down here - plenty of two room schools. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I like that chairman Alf. Instead of a cap and a book on Maoism, we have a brillcream comb over and the island plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, GD4ELI said: Not down here - plenty of two room schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, WTF said: the world is waking up to the fact that you can't have infinite growth with finite resources. That's a leap I hadn't noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The problem is we have an ageing population, like many other western countries. This is basically caused by the post -war baby boomer generation now reaching retirement age and skewing the population statistics meaning we have too many people retired and draining the NHS compared to how many people we have working. Government's answer to this so far is to throw money at working age people to come and live here - £4000 NI holidays, relocation expenses, you name it - regardless of whether they are two or twenty years from retirement, unsurprisingly, this isn't working. What's always missed in discussions on this subject is the problem's potentially temporary nature. The boomers are but one generation, gen X, y etc. will not necessarily lead to the same problems, life expectancy rates are slowing. However what the island plan is trying to do is create another boom generation here. What do we do when they retire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 China is moaning now about a decline in births not so long ago it was rationing couples having children , never satisfied . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 26 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: The problem is we have an ageing population, like many other western countries. This is basically caused by the post -war baby boomer generation now reaching retirement age and skewing the population statistics meaning we have too many people retired and draining the NHS compared to how many people we have working. Government's answer to this so far is to throw money at working age people to come and live here - £4000 NI holidays, relocation expenses, you name it - regardless of whether they are two or twenty years from retirement, unsurprisingly, this isn't working. What's always missed in discussions on this subject is the problem's potentially temporary nature. The boomers are but one generation, gen X, y etc. will not necessarily lead to the same problems, life expectancy rates are slowing. However what the island plan is trying to do is create another boom generation here. What do we do when they retire? I am of the last year of baby boomers. I collect my state pension in just over four and a half years. Older boomers are already dying out. The government answer was actually raise the retirement age to 67. Talk of everyone living into their 80s is simply marketing the retirement age increase. Look in the obituaries or check you local graveyard. Death does not discriminate. Yes there are more octogenarians, because there are more people. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 24 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: China is moaning now about a decline in births not so long ago it was rationing couples having children , never satisfied . Rising unemployment there too. They now have a generation of university educated workers who don't want to work in factories. But what economically is China renowned for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: But what economically is China renowned for? rice ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Eating dogs….bastards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: But what economically is China renowned for? Piss off Donald Trump taking American Jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Fred the shred said: China is moaning now about a decline in births not so long ago it was rationing couples having children , never satisfied . There was an interesting article in the Guardian on this a couple of days ago: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/17/china-population-decline-accelerates-as-birthrate-hits-record-low The population of China actually fell last year by 3 million. Some of this may be a post-Covid thing, but the birth rate has also been plummeting. Note the graph showing that the official ending of the one-child policy made very little difference and none beyond the first year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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