Banker Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: These people live in fantasy land. In any normal business, if a department overspent by £35 million then people would be hauled up infront of superiors, asked to explain what happened, then fired. In the public sector, just get the money from elsewhere and it's fine. The worst bit ? It's our taxes paying these morons. Suppose they should have implemented 0% pay rises for healthcare, teachers etc and not done any cataracts etc that would have kept them to budgets then you would be happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Banker said: Suppose they should have implemented 0% pay rises for healthcare, teachers etc and not done any cataracts etc that would have kept them to budgets then you would be happy? Well if it was 0% for teachers, you would have been 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Banker said: Suppose they should have implemented 0% pay rises for healthcare, teachers etc and not done any cataracts etc that would have kept them to budgets then you would be happy? No but if the department budgets rise with inflation and salary increases are above that, then there should be cuts elsewhere to cover the extra costs. Live within your means. So for example in a given school say, the payroll element goes up by 1% over budget then that extra amount is spread across the departments ij proportion to the headcount. Or they find ways to generate revenue to make up the shortfall from hiring out faciltiies to local clubs and organisations out of term time. Or some combination of both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primator Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 7 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: I thought that we were referred to in Bells day as an "International Finance Centre"? However, when government gets involved we are more of an ‘Irrational Finance Centre’. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombay Bad Boy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 21 hours ago, Twitch said: ...and we will obviously need more civil servants to ensure that this never happens again.. And a trip to the Caymans to work on our tans..I mean, 'see how they do things' . 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 12 hours ago, Banker said: Suppose they should have implemented 0% pay rises for healthcare, teachers etc and not done any cataracts etc that would have kept them to budgets then you would be happy? No, but the point of a budget is that that is what you have to work with. If teachers need payrises, then cut something elsewhere. Don't just take more money out of the big pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, Bombay Bad Boy said: And a trip to the Caymans to work on our tans..I mean, 'see how they do things' . Indeed. This is the Island that despatches representatives on CPA jaunts to developing member States (generally in warm climes, strangely) to advise them on best fiscal practice. You couldn't make it up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 39 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: 13 hours ago, Banker said: Suppose they should have implemented 0% pay rises for healthcare, teachers etc and not done any cataracts etc that would have kept them to budgets then you would be happy? No, but the point of a budget is that that is what you have to work with. If teachers need payrises, then cut something elsewhere. Don't just take more money out of the big pot. It’s easy to use teachers as a stick to beat Banker, but he has a point regarding healthcare. Everyone wants budgetary control and cuts until it affects them and their family and friends. If a new life-saving drug/scan/treatment becomes available in the UK, should we say we can’t afford it here? Letters are written to the media, to MHKs, radio interviews with affected families, etc until it’s funded - but where does the money come from? Or maybe we could send fewer patients across for specialist treatment that we can’t do here - save a fortune, but who decides who gets to go? Should we have saved the money paid to Synaptik - would anyone be happy that the waiting lists get even longer? Perhaps consider the reversal of the DHSC/MC arrangement, get rid of all the duplication of those expensive managers? Problem is that this is not in DHSC’s gift - Tynwald approved it so only Tynwald can reverse it. I would support this - but it’s not going to affect the overspend for a few years at least, assuming they agreed the reversal (which they won’t). So: how much service reduction do you want, to get the budget back into balance? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 And it's worse than that. It's not just what people want, Manx Care have a mandate to provide certain services at a certain level. They can't just say we won't do XYZ to balance the budget. And if they suggest making money to balance the books (charging, car park etc) that's also unacceptable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moghrey Mie Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Indeed. This is the Island that despatches representatives on CPA jaunts to developing member States (generally in warm climes, strangely) to advise them on best fiscal practice. You couldn't make it up. And continues to run the Small Countries Financial Management Programme at the Nunnery. https://www.scfmc.im/ The allocation to the SCFMC for the implementation of the SCFMP is £300,000 per year. Add the Government Conference at the Villa and you've got a good chunk of money there. Edited January 24 by Moghrey Mie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, wrighty said: And it's worse than that. It's not just what people want, Manx Care have a mandate to provide certain services at a certain level. They can't just say we won't do XYZ to balance the budget. And if they suggest making money to balance the books (charging, car park etc) that's also unacceptable. But they are already cutting services provided by GPs at Group Practises? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, swoopy2110 said: No, but the point of a budget is that that is what you have to work with. If teachers need payrises, then cut something elsewhere. Don't just take more money out of the big pot. So what would you cut, free school meals , special needs classes, charge teachers for parking etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, Banker said: So what would you cut, free school meals , special needs classes, charge teachers for parking etc? I'd be looking at the red-circled bit personally, because it's undoubtedly grown even more since this was published. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Let's cut civil service head count, and I do not mean workers at the coal face. The nameless burocrats that live on the bowels of government offices that are spread over Douglas, drag them into the light and say What do you do and is it providing a useful output and what would happen if we got rid. And I do not mean 59 year old Recce who just wants to go some where warm and tend his roses, Let's give him £500,000 to tide him over till his golden pension pot kicks in. But we all know it's fantasy, apart from Recce and his £500,000 retirement plan that we have to pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I'd be looking at the red-circled bit personally, because it's undoubtedly grown even more since this was published. What’s that got to do with last years education overspending which was due to large pay rises for teachers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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