The Voice of Reason Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 51 minutes ago, finlo said: No I'm referring to people who prefer not to speak English in their country of residence. Or Manx even? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinkydevil Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 42 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Or Manx even? T'ou slane kiart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 48 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Or Manx even? Nobody speaks Manx it's pretty much a dead language 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 44 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: Nobody speaks Manx it's pretty much a dead language Worst sounding language. Sounds like someone trying to unsuccessfully clear their throat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, Passing Time said: Worst sounding language. Sounds like someone trying to unsuccessfully clear their throat Only to some immigrant who can't be bothered to learn it. The kind that should go home, I suppose ? Manx was literally brought to the brink of extinction by the influence of immigrants. The same kind that all the old racist Alf-Garnett granddads here are whining about. But apparently that's OK because they're somehow not "foreign". Apparently it's better to speak a guttural, bastardised scouse-accented mix of German and French from an immigrant people who were so keen on stabbing that they were literally called "knife people". Edited February 4 by The Bastard 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chie Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 hours ago, slinkydevil said: T'ou slane kiart Cre? Myr yiarragh shin 'sy Ghaelg! Kys t’ou whooinney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyone Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I don’t think Manx is a dead language. There are some people making good progress to keep it alive. It was dying out but it seems to me the efforts made to increase the number of speakers of Manx by those who care about the language and the culture that surrounds it have been successful. More power to them and congratulations. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 14 hours ago, The Bastard said: Only to some immigrant who can't be bothered to learn it. The kind that should go home, I suppose ? Of what use would it be to the average person? Manx was literally brought to the brink of extinction by the influence of immigrants. The same kind that all the old racist Alf-Garnett granddads here are whining about. But apparently that's OK because they're somehow not "foreign". Manx was brought to the "brink of exctinction" mainly because it is of no use to anybody Apparently it's better to speak a guttural, bastardised scouse-accented mix of German and French from an immigrant people who were so keen on stabbing that they were literally called "knife people". I have absolutely no idea what you are harping on about 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 2/4/2024 at 4:33 PM, Passing Time said: You generally have no idea what you are harping on about, so why should this thread be any different ? Again you've derailed a thread with your own offensive prejudices dressed up as facts, wasting everyone's time with pointless trolling. You seem to be having extreme difficulty even spelling basic English (your first and only language) in your last comeback, so it's not really helping your point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 41 minutes ago, The Bastard said: You generally have no idea what you are harping on about, so why should this thread be any different ? Again you've derailed a thread with your own offensive prejudices dressed up as facts, wasting everyone's time with pointless trolling. You seem to be having extreme difficulty even spelling basic English (your first and only language) in your last comeback, so it's not really helping your point. Not many people ever have an idea what you waffle on about. It's taken you a day for that poor comeback though - well done... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 41 minutes ago, Passing Time said: Not many people ever have an idea what you waffle on about. It's taken you a day for that poor comeback though - well done... Yeah, unlike yourself I'm not constantly on here begging for attention of any kind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 2/4/2024 at 1:51 AM, The Bastard said: Manx was literally brought to the brink of extinction by the influence of immigrants. The same kind that all the old racist Alf-Garnett granddads here are whining about. But apparently that's OK because they're somehow not "foreign". much more subtle than that - by the 1640s the higher social classes spoke English in preference - all court records etc were kept in English by 1600 (a few in Latin prior to this, never in Manx); Bishop Barrow started the first public schools teaching English out of necessity as no book published in Manx - the 18th C saw the Island having significantly more connections both with England as well as further afield hence utility of English - by 1820s monoglot speakers of Manx declined quite significantly as most jobs required English and many parents avoided teaching Manx to their offspring tho there were some enthusiasts for Manx but many of these emigrated in the 1820s onwards to America 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bastard Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Frances said: much more subtle than that - by the 1640s the higher social classes spoke English in preference - all court records etc were kept in English by 1600 (a few in Latin prior to this, never in Manx); Bishop Barrow started the first public schools teaching English out of necessity as no book published in Manx - the 18th C saw the Island having significantly more connections both with England as well as further afield hence utility of English - by 1820s monoglot speakers of Manx declined quite significantly as most jobs required English and many parents avoided teaching Manx to their offspring tho there were some enthusiasts for Manx but many of these emigrated in the 1820s onwards to America We're highlighting the same thing from different perspectives I think. English initially became pervasive on the island after imposition of an alien "ruling class", and a wave of immigration of minor nobles, officials, military and household staff into a small population, much as French supplanted English after the wave of Norman immigration in England. Like Manx, Germanic English was definitely on the path to extinction in England for a while, and contemporary English is now a bastardised mix of old Germanic and Norman French. I'd argue that Manx emigration was also driven by immigration and the difficulties of land ownership after revestment. Some of the letters from emigrants highlighted the poorest being able to purchase land in America, in contrast to the situation at home where they were priced off the land. An ordinary Manxie can't buy property outside of town these days, since you need an offshore-company director salary to buy one, so it's an ongoing issue. The survival of English was in a low-class working population, the same strata as Manx. It wasn't due to a volume of literature though - languages survive through speech. Thanks to centuries of immigration, it just became uneconomic to invest time in Manx, in the same way that English was once the language of peasants grubbing up turnips. English came back from the brink though, which shows that as long as a language is spoken, it has potential to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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