cissoltt Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: No I am not. But I know that tenders are confidential in all developed countries. Govt tenders are well known to favour those with friends in the right places who tell them the price to beat, I know as I've witnessed it first hand on multiply occasions. Not as the beneficiary, but worked for a recipient. When the govt employs 20% of the working population word gets out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 row breaking out regarding perfectly good 12 year old local government owned flats being demolished in Castletown , apparently the matter was brought to the attention of the minister responsible some time ago , so another waste of valuable resources and taxpayers money but worst of all the opportunity for a young manx couple to obtain a house and settle down , an absolute disgrace ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 10 hours ago, Happier diner said: Yeah. Like the suppliers and contractors would be up for that. Publication of their rates and fees for all to see. Never going to happen. The government have a responsibility to protect their information. Unsuccessful bidders are allowed to ask and be told why they were unsuccessful. But competitors rates and bids cannot be divulged. I never said anything about rates etc. I was referring to the fact that details of the winners and who took part are actually available on the procurement website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, Andy Onchan said: I never said anything about rates etc. I was referring to the fact that details of the winners and who took part are actually available on the procurement website. Not sure what you are saying. Is this good or bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 hours ago, cissoltt said: Govt tenders are well known to favour those with friends in the right places who tell them the price to beat, I know as I've witnessed it first hand on multiply occasions. Not as the beneficiary, but worked for a recipient. When the govt employs 20% of the working population word gets out. How does the word get out? On both the quick quote portal and the tender portal. No one knows the bids until the tender process closes. No one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: Not sure what you are saying. Is this good or bad? It's good. It's called transparency.... up to a point! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, Happier diner said: How does the word get out? On both the quick quote portal and the tender portal. No one knows the bids until the tender process closes. No one. @A fool and his money..... is laughing. But its a fact. Perhaps he should do am FOI and ask. He can't be arsed reading what he is sent. People want to believe what they believe and hate it when facts are quoted. One of the main facets of any off the shelf tendering system is that no one can open the box until the date and time is reached. Its fundamental governance. I think a lot of people on here are living their life from 20 years ago. Things have changed. That's because of things that happened 20 years ago. Edited March 5 by Happier diner 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 If you want to believe that then that's up to you. I have seen very dubious practices with my own eyes a lot less than 20 years ago. Government pay well over the odds for everything. A house built by government costs twice what it would if you or I were building it. The only reason for that is dubious practices within procurement, there's no other reason government pay the prices that they do. To believe that government purchasing is squeaky clean and never abused or hidden behind unnecessary commercial confidentiality then you are extremely naive. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 For many years there has always been the attitude that, "Govt is a big firm and can afford to be charged a bit extra". I know of people in the tree surgery and felling business for instance (which is extremely busy at present) who quite happily admit that they pile it on for Govt jobs, even just a visit to inspect anything that's been flagged up attracts a considerable fee if it's Govt work. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Exactly, and as they can happily hide behind commercial confidentiality, who can blame them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said: If you want to believe that then that's up to you. I have seen very dubious practices with my own eyes a lot less than 20 years ago. Government pay well over the odds for everything. A house built by government costs twice what it would if you or I were building it. The only reason for that is dubious practices within procurement, there's no other reason government pay the prices that they do. To believe that government purchasing is squeaky clean and never abused or hidden behind unnecessary commercial confidentiality then you are extremely naive. Maybe those dubious practices would have stopped sooner if you had reported them instead of whinging on here about things that sound like bits of gossip to me. Are you naive too. 😕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Maybe those dubious practices would have stopped sooner if you had reported them instead of whinging on here about things that sound like bits of gossip to me. Are you naive too. 😕 Open your eyes you half-wit. How many government contracts end up hopelessly over time and over budget? How many do they overpay for? How many are done well? If you want to believe everything they tell you then go ahead, they like people like you who came down in the last shower, I'll rely on experience to form my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 10 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Open your eyes you half-wit. How many government contracts end up hopelessly over time and over budget? How many do they overpay for? How many are done well? This has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed. You clearly have your mind made up though, despite offering no facts or evidence. It’s obvious you aren’t going to listen to reason or facts, so any further discussing is pointless when you just keep saying the same thing over and over with nothing to back it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 ''' so any further discussing is pointless '' We'll see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 47 minutes ago, Kopek said: ''' so any further discussing is pointless '' We'll see! My lips are sealed. 🤝 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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