A fool and his money..... Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, CrazyDave said: Again, not my experience. I regularly have questions answered and also see additions to tender documents that are clearly in response to other firms having asked for more details. What industry are you in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, A fool and his money..... said: Another example. Government are required to get three quotes for any work over a certain amount. What they often do is ask whichever company they want to do the work to quote using three different manufacturers products. I've been on the receiving end of that one myself. Another trick is to put a bare bones spec out to tender. When you ask specific technical questions they don't answer, ensuring that whoever they want to do the job is the only one that can tender accurately. Have you raised this with the procurement team ( or whatever they are called)? Are you saying the same company can put in three different quotes, but is considered as different quotes because the product supplier (not quoting company) is different for each? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, A fool and his money..... said: What industry are you in? I work across a few industries, the tender process through the portal is the same for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Gladys said: Have you raised this with the procurement team ( or whatever they are called)? Are you saying the same company can put in three different quotes, but is considered as different quotes because the product supplier (not quoting company) is different for each? Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, I've seen it first hand on several occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, A fool and his money..... said: I can't be arsed looking it up to be honest. As far as I can remember there was a lot of collusion between the contractors and for a big and expensive job they were all very close in price on the tender (like very close). I can't remember all the details but there was something about two of the tenders turning up in the same envelope. I think it was only because there was a new contractor tendering that wasn't in the cartel that anything came to light. The implication was that this sort of thing had been standard practice for years. There was a bit of fuss about it at the time, I think it led to the forming of government's procurement office who are supposed to handle tenders over £50k and make government purchasing look squeaky clean, I can tell you from personal experience, it is still a very long way from it. If you choose to believe otherwise then you're welcome to do so. Is this specific? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, CrazyDave said: I work across a few industries, Course you do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Gladys said: Is this specific? Yes, very. I wish I could remember the name of the place, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, A fool and his money..... said: Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, I've seen it first hand on several occasions. So are they accepted as three different quotes from different contractors, or three different quotes from the same contractor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, Gladys said: So are they accepted as three different quotes from different contractors, or three different quotes from the same contractor? Same contractor, different manufacturers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, A fool and his money..... said: Course you do. Yes I do. The services my business offers are used by lots of other firms across all sorts of industries and I have been involved in many goverment tenders here and in the UK. This is an anonymous forum, and giving any more detail than that would basically tell you exactly who I am. Belive me or not, o couldn’t give a toss. You are the one making stuff up here just because you don’t like government and can’t look at things objectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, CrazyDave said: Yes I do. The services my business offers are used by lots of other firms across all sorts of industries and I have been involved in many goverment tenders here and in the UK. This is an anonymous forum, and giving any more detail than that would basically tell you exactly who I am. Belive me or not, o couldn’t give a toss. You are the one making stuff up here just because you don’t like government and can’t look at things objectively I'm not the one with the reputation as a fantasist. I'm not making anything up, there's nothing I've posted here that isn't either in the public domain or has been seen by my own eyes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Yes, very. I wish I could remember the name of the place, It used to be quoted on tenders from the procurement department, as their reason for existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Same contractor, different manufacturers So, if a firm says we can do this job for X with this manufacturer, but can do it for minus X with another manufacturer, that is wrong? Who has the relationship with the manufacturers to have the scope to offer alternatives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 15 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Another example. Government are required to get three quotes for any work over a certain amount. What they often do is ask whichever company they want to do the work to quote using three different manufacturers products. I've been on the receiving end of that one myself. Another trick is to put a bare bones spec out to tender. When you ask specific technical questions they don't answer, ensuring that whoever they want to do the job is the only one that can tender accurately. When you say they, it has to be 3 people who assess tenders or quotes. You saying they are all bent? No way. It would get out. Someone would be fired.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyDave Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: It used to be quoted on tenders from the procurement department, as their reason for existence. So, completely irrelevant as an example of how things work now then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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