Banker Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Far too much of our tax also goes to fund social security benefits, social housing, addiction therapy and methadone for young wasters too. Says the old white well off man living in his ivory towers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 21 minutes ago, HiVibes said: The worst junkies though are the old people pilled up to the eyeballs and still driving and moaning. Any actual evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 8 minutes ago, Banker said: Says the old white well off man living in his ivory towers! The ones in ivory towers are those who ignore the tagline of "fines and costs to be deducted from benefits" that follows conviction after conviction like night follows day... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 51 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Any actual evidence? You are obviously oblivious to what's around you... Evidence enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, HiVibes said: You are obviously oblivious to what's around you... Evidence enough. I’ll take that as a no, then… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 hours ago, Banker said: Says the old white well off man living in his ivory towers! How do you know I'm white? My "ivory tower" (which it is far from) was funded by making choices and cuts in other areas of my life in order to afford it and not expecting the taxpayer to carry on funding them. I believe it's called "prioritising" and "responsibility". 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 8 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Far too much of our tax also goes to fund social security benefits, social housing, addiction therapy and methadone for young wasters too. 6 hours ago, P.K. said: The ones in ivory towers are those who ignore the tagline of "fines and costs to be deducted from benefits" that follows conviction after conviction like night follows day... It’s easy to point the finger at those on benefits. But perhaps you should look at the £46million tax payers have to pay every year to cover the shortfall in civil service pensions because for years the contributions were set at unsustainably low levels. That’s on top of the £100m we pay as tax payers for current years employer/employee contributions. You seem to be implying that they are too many unemployed, unemployable, non contributing members of society. Unemployment is at record low levels. You seem to think that because someone claims a benefit they’re a drain. The truth is many benefits enable and empower people to work, and to pay NI and tax. Payments out of NI - not income tax £250m State Pensions ( including various supplements and two different schemes- all funded via NI ) £14m incapacity benefit - to those who are in work but cannot currently work due to disabling illness £1m bereavement support - short term to widows/ers with children £4.6m maternity allowance - pregnant women £5m carers allowance - to people who stay at home caring for elderly family or disabled children or young adults. Save millions in state care costs. £1.2m industrial disablement - for those suffering serious injury at work £300k income based jobseekers - for those currently looking for work who have an up to date NI record £1m Christmas bonus Payments from general tax revenue £17m Disability Living Allowance, including mobility. More than half goes to people who work. Enabling them to have adaptations in the home, or transport so they can continue working. £7m Attendance Allowance - to chronically sick or disabled or elderly to enable them to pay for some care. Saves a much greater sum the state would otherwise have to pay to care for them. £13m child benefit £39m Income Support ( including rent support/pension top ups ) - often paid to people to top up low income to an acceptable income. £9m EPA - subsidising employers who pay low wages. Wages should be high enough that this isn’t required. It’s not the job of the state to subsidise employers. £1.5m income based Job Seekers Allowance £1m TV licences for over 75’s 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Big font - must be serious business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 17 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Big font - must be serious business! No idea why it defaulted to that, and cba reformatting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, John Wright said: It’s easy to point the finger at those on benefits. But perhaps you should look at the £46million tax payers have to pay every year to cover the shortfall in civil service pensions because for years the contributions were set at unsustainably low levels. That’s on top of the £100m we pay as tax payers for current years employer/employee contributions. You seem to be implying that they are too many unemployed, unemployable, non contributing members of society. Unemployment is at record low levels. You seem to think that because someone claims a benefit they’re a drain. The truth is many benefits enable and empower people to work, and to pay NI and tax. Payments out of NI - not income tax £250m State Pensions ( including various supplements and two different schemes- all funded via NI ) £14m incapacity benefit - to those who are in work but cannot currently work due to disabling illness £1m bereavement support - short term to widows/ers with children £4.6m maternity allowance - pregnant women £5m carers allowance - to people who stay at home caring for elderly family or disabled children or young adults. Save millions in state care costs. £1.2m industrial disablement - for those suffering serious injury at work £300k income based jobseekers - for those currently looking for work who have an up to date NI record £1m Christmas bonus Payments from general tax revenue £17m Disability Living Allowance, including mobility. More than half goes to people who work. Enabling them to have adaptations in the home, or transport so they can continue working. £7m Attendance Allowance - to chronically sick or disabled or elderly to enable them to pay for some care. Saves a much greater sum the state would otherwise have to pay to care for them. £13m child benefit £39m Income Support ( including rent support/pension top ups ) - often paid to people to top up low income to an acceptable income. £9m EPA - subsidising employers who pay low wages. Wages should be high enough that this isn’t required. It’s not the job of the state to subsidise employers. £1.5m income based Job Seekers Allowance £1m TV licences for over 75’s My original reply was in a similarly veined response to the prejudice and bigotry posted by @HiVibes. But my original point still stands, there cannot be another taxpaying "group" (the motorists) who are relieved of so much tax whilst having such a small percentage of it reinvested in their public infrastructure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 23 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: But my original point still stands, there cannot be another taxpaying "group" (the motorists) who are relieved of so much tax whilst having such a small percentage of it reinvested in their public infrastructure. Smokers certainly get relieved of a lot of tax and what they get back in health care they lose in dying early. Drinkers probably similar, moderate drinkers maybe most of all. Most tax is taken because people are able to pay it, not because those paying expect to get it back straight away. All tax is redistributive - if only over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlar Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/16/2024 at 9:30 PM, Stu Peters said: Fact is, DOI looks at repairs and maintenance and prioritises jobs based on danger, traffic flow, type and estimated cost of repair etc. Like all deparments we're under the cosh financially and can't do everything all at once. But aren’t you actually responsible for the state of the roads? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 34 minutes ago, Kevlar said: But aren’t you actually responsible for the state of the roads? Stand by for the one man can’t make a difference claptrap 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiVibes Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 9 hours ago, Kevlar said: But aren’t you actually responsible for the state of the roads? Well poor driving ability will play a part... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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