x-in-man Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 18 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said: Or benefit fraud as it is known in the rest of the population. But a pension isn't s benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlar Posted March 27 Author Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, x-in-man said: But a pension isn't s benefit. It is if you haven’t paid for any of it. Like many of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Kevlar said: It is if you haven’t paid for any of it. Like many of them. Define many. Give a figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, x-in-man said: Define many. Give a figure. The legacy pension gap is @ £40M pa. It probably runs into many hundreds; 700? 800? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 10 hours ago, John Wright said: No, they wrote a letter. Treasury do the same. Often the earliest they know of death is when the bank account into which the pension is paid is closed. Writing a letter and receiving repayment will normally be weeks or months apart. a death is notified to a government entity fairly quickly , the fact that treasury don't get informed by another department of that fact is maybe what needs addressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, WTF said: a death is notified to a government entity fairly quickly , the fact that treasury don't get informed by another department of that fact is maybe what needs addressing Probably an accident... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, x-in-man said: Define many. Give a figure. None of them have paid for all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 4 hours ago, x-in-man said: But a pension isn't s benefit. It amounts to the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 20 minutes ago, WTF said: a death is notified to a government entity fairly quickly , the fact that treasury don't get informed by another department of that fact is maybe what needs addressing There may be several people on government pension pay roll with the same name. There’s almost bound to be more than one person with the same name on island. Without ID cards and numbers being issued, and required to register a death, how would your solution work, in practice? Registration of deaths has no idea if there’s a pension in payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exocet Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: There may be several people on government pension pay roll with the same name. There’s almost bound to be more than one person with the same name on island. Without ID cards and numbers being issued, and required to register a death, how would your solution work, in practice? Registration of deaths has no idea if there’s a pension in payment. The insurance companies seem to manage though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 4 minutes ago, Exocet said: The insurance companies seem to manage though. No, they don’t. They’re notified. By next of kin, executors, or banks. Not by GRO or by trawling BD&M’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 9 hours ago, piebaps said: According to Gov figures £141m will be paid in pensions in 24-25 (FOI 3723609) The overpayments reported are 0.13% 80% relate to payments made after the public servant has died but before the paying authority knew. The 190k is over 5 years, and 2/3 of it was recovered, so the percentage is more like 0.009%. This is a tiny discrepancy, almost certainly due to people dying and being paid for a month or two afterwards. I guess most will have been abroad - further than UK. This level of accounting accuracy should be commended shouldn't it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 38 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: None of them have paid for all of it. That’s bollocks and you know it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exocet Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 20 minutes ago, John Wright said: No, they don’t. They’re notified. By next of kin, executors, or banks. Not by GRO or by trawling BD&M’s No they have data feeds and reporting which act as trigger events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 7 minutes ago, x-in-man said: That’s bollocks and you know it. No it's not. Employer contributions in the public sector are still way above what most people could dream of. A public sector pension is a benefit, simple as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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