Fred the shred Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 With all these price rises from Government Departments from raising kids bus fares to road tax, licences, Civic amenities, etc I would surmise the Treasury at some point has told every department to save money, make cuts, whatever….and they being the great civil service have taken the easy option of raising prices instead of causing pain or extra work in their departments. The instructions should have been to save money without increasing costs now that would have been a challenge. One that the business world faces every day. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 20 minutes ago, Fred the shred said: I would surmise the Treasury at some point has told every department to save money, make cuts, whatever… Happens every year… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 OK, so you notice that your neighbour is mowing his lawn for the third time this week, you catch him by the lawn clippings, he's tearful, his wife is studiously ignoring him, the Kids look the other way when he tries to engage with them! He's obviously devastated, explains that he has lost his job in the CS., 20 years service, he doesn't know what he will do, he feels that he is not a proper husband and father as he cannot provide for his Family! ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 7 hours ago, Fred the shred said: With all these price rises from Government Departments from raising kids bus fares to road tax, licences, Civic amenities, etc I would surmise the Treasury at some point has told every department to save money, make cuts, whatever….and they being the great civil service have taken the easy option of raising prices instead of causing pain or extra work in their departments. The instructions should have been to save money without increasing costs now that would have been a challenge. One that the business world faces every day. 'Twas ever thus. There is only once source of "savings" in the PS mindset and that is to raise charges to the public. "Cutting back", as the man in the street or the household knows it, isn't part of the vernacular. Treasury has charged every Govt Dept and Statutory Body with not only making economies but also to raise revenue to be returned to Treasury itself in order to try and close the (uncloseable) funding gap. Yet Government and its expansion must remain untouchable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 4 hours ago, Kopek said: OK, so you notice that your neighbour is mowing his lawn for the third time this week, you catch him by the lawn clippings, he's tearful, his wife is studiously ignoring him, the Kids look the other way when he tries to engage with them! He's obviously devastated, explains that he has lost his job in the CS., 20 years service, he doesn't know what he will do, he feels that he is not a proper husband and father as he cannot provide for his Family! ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! Heh? So the tax paying public who live in the real world should suffer just to keep people who are not needed in their jobs? I don’t think so. Hell yes there should be cuts and yes it would affect some people. Welcome to the real world. It’s theoretical anyway as IOMG will never do what is actually needed as long as they can make the idiots in the private sector pay for it. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asitis Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 hours ago, Kopek said: OK, so you notice that your neighbour is mowing his lawn for the third time this week, you catch him by the lawn clippings, he's tearful, his wife is studiously ignoring him, the Kids look the other way when he tries to engage with them! He's obviously devastated, explains that he has lost his job in the CS., 20 years service, he doesn't know what he will do, he feels that he is not a proper husband and father as he cannot provide for his Family! ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! A saddening scenario I agree, you would however have to ask yourself who got him into this position if this became reality. It wouldn't be the taxpayers who for years have been struggling to support an ever growing problem, the magnitude of which Government and the CS themselves have been made well aware. This scenario would only become reality if there were no alternatives, but just maybe the doors of opportunity to address the problem are closing and our elected are powerless to do anything about it ! Maybe the time has come for the CS themselves to lobby government to cut spending and control their numbers ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 hours ago, Kopek said: ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! Welcome to the private sector. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 5 hours ago, Kopek said: OK, so you notice that your neighbour is mowing his lawn for the third time this week, you catch him by the lawn clippings, he's tearful, his wife is studiously ignoring him, the Kids look the other way when he tries to engage with them! He's obviously devastated, explains that he has lost his job in the CS., 20 years service, he doesn't know what he will do, he feels that he is not a proper husband and father as he cannot provide for his Family! ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! You're starting to sound like Stu Peters... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 54 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Heh? So the tax paying public who live in the real world should suffer just to keep people who are not needed in their jobs? I don’t think so. Hell yes there should be cuts and yes it would affect some people. Welcome to the real world. It’s theoretical anyway as IOMG will never do what is actually needed as long as they can make the idiots in the private sector pay for it. What cuts have DBC done to staff numbers and will they be introducing a pay cap of say 2% or blindly follow IOMG who will no doubt give civil servants 6% again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amadeus Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 10 minutes ago, Banker said: What cuts have DBC done to staff numbers and will they be introducing a pay cap of say 2% or blindly follow IOMG who will no doubt give civil servants 6% again Loads in the past and numerous roles remained empty as IOMG paid better. Having said that, there’s potential to do more and one opportunity to save a lot was missed. I’ll talk about that when my term is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 6 hours ago, Kopek said: OK, so you notice that your neighbour is mowing his lawn for the third time this week, you catch him by the lawn clippings, he's tearful, his wife is studiously ignoring him, the Kids look the other way when he tries to engage with them! He's obviously devastated, explains that he has lost his job in the CS., 20 years service, he doesn't know what he will do, he feels that he is not a proper husband and father as he cannot provide for his Family! ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! Welcome to the real world. We all know people on the private sector who have been in that situation. It’s almost a daily occurrence somewhere on the island. By the way. There are ways to cuts costs without cutting headcount. Again, something that happens every day in the private sector. You only have to look at the equipment government departments have compared to their private sector counterparts. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 7 hours ago, Kopek said: OK, so you notice that your neighbour is mowing his lawn for the third time this week, you catch him by the lawn clippings, he's tearful, his wife is studiously ignoring him, the Kids look the other way when he tries to engage with them! He's obviously devastated, explains that he has lost his job in the CS., 20 years service, he doesn't know what he will do, he feels that he is not a proper husband and father as he cannot provide for his Family! ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! Rather than castigate him you should empathise. Reiterate it's not his fault he was let go, just the changing times. That he has skills that could be used in private sector roles, or in his own business. That he will have received a sizable redundancy pay off that should tide him over during a job search or if he wants to retrain or needs capital for a new business. And he should probably leave his wife. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, Declan said: And he should probably leave his wife. Agreed. If he's having to cut the grass, there's something wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 7 hours ago, Kopek said: OK, so you notice that your neighbour is mowing his lawn for the third time this week, you catch him by the lawn clippings, he's tearful, his wife is studiously ignoring him, the Kids look the other way when he tries to engage with them! He's obviously devastated, explains that he has lost his job in the CS., 20 years service, he doesn't know what he will do, he feels that he is not a proper husband and father as he cannot provide for his Family! ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! Redundancies, I recognise that situation, probably along with many others who work in the private sector. Why should a CS be treated any different? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 8 hours ago, Kopek said: OK, so you notice that your neighbour is mowing his lawn for the third time this week, you catch him by the lawn clippings, he's tearful, his wife is studiously ignoring him, the Kids look the other way when he tries to engage with them! He's obviously devastated, explains that he has lost his job in the CS., 20 years service, he doesn't know what he will do, he feels that he is not a proper husband and father as he cannot provide for his Family! ....but he was just a drain on the public purse, he deserves what he got and to hell with him and his sensitivities!!!! Has he not contacted any employment agencies? Do you have any idea of the shortage of staff in pretty much every sector at the moment? He could have a job next week if he stopped mowing the lawn. Unless of course, he is completely unemployable by anyone but Govt. At least he's got their pension to look forward to. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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