Annoymouse Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Are they also fitting new water meters to properties? I saw MUA go around one estate and they’ve dug up and replaced every single water meter, is that going to be the new stealth tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Just now, Annoymouse said: Are they also fitting new water meters to properties? I saw MUA go around one estate and they’ve dug up and replaced every single water meter, is that going to be the new stealth tax? I doubt it. They were probably repairing leaking stop taps or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 43 minutes ago, Annoymouse said: Are they also fitting new water meters to properties? I saw MUA go around one estate and they’ve dug up and replaced every single water meter, is that going to be the new stealth tax? We should have water meters so everyone pays for what they actually use, imagine the outcry if they said electricity bills would be apportioned according to rateable value of house no matter how much or little you use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, Anthony Ingham said: So you think they are telling porkies? ”The meters that we have previously supplied have not been manufactured for several years and it is becoming increasingly difficult and costly to maintain these” Why would it be easy to maintain something and add them to new build houses when the suppliers have stopped making them? Obviously it makes sense to move everyone to the same system. the meters they have previously supplied and other non smart meters aren't the same thing though , it hasn't progressed from analogue meter with with rotating disc straight to smart meter , there are digital meters that aren't smart out there too that could be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 11 minutes ago, Banker said: We should have water meters so everyone pays for what they actually use, imagine the outcry if they said electricity bills would be apportioned according to rateable value of house no matter how much or little you use. Imagine the cost! Putting meters into properties now would be a massive task. What about all the converted places that are now flats? Putting them in new builds might be an option, but it's too lucrative to charge an imaginary amount to pay for the power station to risk losing income by charging for actual use (unless they put an eye watering cost on the price of a unit of water, - then the whole system is outed as just a income stream for the government). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 55 minutes ago, Banker said: We should have water meters so everyone pays for what they actually use, imagine the outcry if they said electricity bills would be apportioned according to rateable value of house no matter how much or little you use. Problem is, the majority of the cost is literally supplying the property. The standing charge would be huge and usage next to nothing. It would be a very expensive, pointless exercise. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 2 hours ago, Anthony Ingham said: So you think they are telling porkies? ”The meters that we have previously supplied have not been manufactured for several years and it is becoming increasingly difficult and costly to maintain these” Why would it be easy to maintain something and add them to new build houses when the suppliers have stopped making them? Obviously it makes sense to move everyone to the same system. Why replace and bin perfectly good meters? Sure, replace when broken or in new installations, but what is happening is an incredible waste of resources and money, at a time when we are supposed to reduce, reuse and recycle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Cambon said: Why replace and bin perfectly good meters? Sure, replace when broken or in new installations, but what is happening is an incredible waste of resources and money, at a time when we are supposed to reduce, reuse and recycle. Because it is not a sensible long term proposition for them to be running two completely different system. The houses on our street have been here for decades. If they just replace when they fail they could still have a guy coming down here to read a handful of meters in thirty years. That is clearly not sustainable so you just accept a few years of phased crossover and replace everything by a certain date, then kill the old system. It’s also far more efficient in terms of time, money and emissions to send a bloke down a street a couple of times over a couple of days than have him darting all over the island at random and potentially visiting the same street 15 times to do 15 houses. Edited April 22 by Anthony Ingham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallMeCurious Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 8 minutes ago, Cambon said: Why replace and bin perfectly good meters? Sure, replace when broken or in new installations, but what is happening is an incredible waste of resources and money, at a time when we are supposed to reduce, reuse and recycle. Brought in an outside contractor on a price therefore cheaper to buy and fit meters in bulk. One advantage of the smart meters is they can be remotely turned off by the supplier. Dead handy when there isn't enough supply to meet demand so you can keep the essential and the great and the good on. This is the UK version (though its by area) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electricity-supply-emergency-code I'm sure the MUA must have something similar planned if everything goes to renewable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Which is a pretty well established information gatherer and they have produced some really bad reports of smart meters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambon Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, CallMeCurious said: Brought in an outside contractor on a price therefore cheaper to buy and fit meters in bulk. One advantage of the smart meters is they can be remotely turned off by the supplier. Dead handy when there isn't enough supply to meet demand so you can keep the essential and the great and the good on. This is the UK version (though its by area) https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electricity-supply-emergency-code I'm sure the MUA must have something similar planned if everything goes to renewable. I am sure MU do. However, it will never happen, UK or here. UK can buy in nuclear from EDF, or fire up gas turbines as a temporary measure. We can also buy in or fire up gas, especially when MU realise that they have been had over the windmills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 2 hours ago, Cambon said: Problem is, the majority of the cost is literally supplying the property. The standing charge would be huge and usage next to nothing. It would be a very expensive, pointless exercise. I agree it would be very expensive. Pointless? No. It would reduce water demand and that's a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 16 hours ago, Happier diner said: ha ha. Where do you get your mis information. The guys fitting the meters ….38,000 households last census ad the other 10,000 will be shops, offices etc, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 minute ago, Major Rushen said: The guys fitting the meters ….38,000 households last census ad the other 10,000 will be shops, offices etc, They are fitting 38,000 water smart meters. You sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Rushen Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 17 minutes ago, Happier diner said: They are fitting 38,000 water smart meters. You sure? No… Electricity Meters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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