The Phantom Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 2 minutes ago, monasqueen said: And by the way, Phantom, she has a male husband. Good luck to her. Doesn't a husband have to be male? Or has that gender neutral'd too now? Indeed good luck to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Interestingly her statement says "[....] After many years visiting [the Island] as a guest I am thrilled to be called to make my home there" which suggests she's not a total stranger to the place. Otherwise her careers been very central London (she was a social worker before she was a priest). She's about 58-ish so she may be in place for around ten years (Bishops are supposed to retire at 70) hopefully a bit longer than previous ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 The original idea was that the bishop should be part of Government because, as they are a religious person, they have attributes that benefit all of us. Now the ManxForums opinion is that the new bishop is a good deal for all of us because she has political contacts (which apparently is what we need). Well, for example, Peter Mandelson has plenty of political contacts. Maybe we should ensure that such a person also has a right to a Tynwald vote. Why not several of them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Dalby Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 39 minutes ago, Barlow said: Not sure about checkmate, more like Pawn to King 4, but for sure it puts a different dimension to the take the Bishops vote away situation. Why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 53 minutes ago, Thomas Dalby said: 1 hour ago, Barlow said: Not sure about checkmate, more like Pawn to King 4, but for sure it puts a different dimension to the take the Bishops vote away situation. Why? According to the Internet, Pawn to King 4 is "one of white’s most popular and aggressive options". This is obviously a guarded reference to the white, male, supremacy in Tnwald. If this group were to vote out a person who is not only of the ethnic minority, but also a member of the alternative gender, this might be seen as unjustified discrimination. Well, that's my analysis. Not bad for a Thursday evening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 A cynical attempt to make an entirely irrelevant role in the modern world relevant. The point they're missing is that it makes no difference what colour or gender the incumbent is, it has little or no relevance to modern society and should be treated as such. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, The Phantom said: Doesn't a husband have to be male? Or has that gender neutral'd too now? Indeed good luck to her. its gender neautered these days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Dalby Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 31 minutes ago, Two-lane said: According to the Internet, Pawn to King 4 is "one of white’s most popular and aggressive options". This is obviously a guarded reference to the white, male, supremacy in Tnwald. If this group were to vote out a person who is not only of the ethnic minority, but also a member of the alternative gender, this might be seen as unjustified discrimination. Well, that's my analysis. Not bad for a Thursday evening. Ok understood, but I can’t see it making any difference to the case for removing the Bishop’s vote, which is based on principle and has no bearing on the particular incumbent - to make an obvious point, it was instigated without any knowledge of who would be appointed next. If the camp wishing to retain the Bishop’s vote are intending to present it as a personal attack on the Bishop’s gender or colour then it is just one more irrelevant argument to be wheeled out, along with “what about reforming x” and “it’s a distraction from more important things”. The argument they always seem curiously shy about actually espousing is one based on religion 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 hours ago, Barlow said: Not sure about checkmate, more like Pawn to King 4... If Hooper's involved...more like Bishop to King Prawn. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 How can a lady Bishop have a Bishoprick? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/bishop-designate-meets-future-political-colleagues/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 That is the very reason that this was the ideal time to deal with the matter of the Bishop being in Tynwald and having a vote as the matter was raised between Bishops being in residence so it was not personal. The Bishop should not be in Tynwald, the Bishop should not have a vote politics and religion do not mix. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 the new bishop is a very capable and highly regarded lady , probable more well connected politically than the rest of Tynwald put together you dont get to be chaplain to the house of commons and the speaker without something between your ears , she is an excellent orator and talented speaker , I am sure she will bring a new dimension to Manx politics and hopefully try to return some of the traditional values and standards the present house has seen fit to throw to the wolves , lets give her a chance at least she has some knowledge and empathy of the Island and obviously done her homework , 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Why should an unelected person bring a new dimension to Manx Politics? And what traditional values and standards is she going to return ? We are going forward not backward and religion has no place in a political arena, ever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2112 Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Lovely piece on the NPM today, from yesterdays interview with the LB who it seems is a frequent visitor to the island as her husband has relatives here. The Bishop-designate of the Isle of Man has been meeting her future political colleagues during a two-day visit. It was announced today that The Venerable Patricia Hillas will take over the role left vacant by Reverend Peter Eagles, after she's consecrated at York Minster in October. A former social worker, she says she's had an interesting career to date; she's currently Archdeacon and Canon of Westminster and also Chaplain to the Speaker of the House of Commons. A frequent visitor to the Island over the past 20 years to spend time with her husband's family here, Tricia says she feels drawn to serve the Manx community: The following information was published by the Diocese of Sodor and Man earlier today: 'The official announcement came from Downing Street while the Bishop-designate visited Cathedral Isle of Man, Peel. As part of today’s introduction to the Diocese, the Bishop-designate will also visit a number of places on the Island including Thie dy Vea Retreat House, St John’s Mill, Tynwald and Government House. Tricia, as she likes to be known, is currently Archdeacon and Canon of Westminster and also Chaplain to the Speaker of the House of Commons. Tricia was born in 1966 in Kuala Lumpur to an Indian mother and British father and moved to the UK with her family in 1971. She was ordained in 2002 following a career as a youth and social worker, part of which she specialised in supporting those diagnosed with HIV and AIDS. Before becoming Chaplain to the Speaker of the House of Commons in 2019 she was Priest in Charge at St-Mary-at-Hill, City of London and Canon Pastor at St Paul’s Cathedral. In her earlier days of ministry Tricia was ordained deacon in 2002 and priest in 2003. She served her curacy at the Kensal Rise Team Ministry in the Diocese of London. From 2005 to 2014 she was vicar of St Barnabas, Northolt Park. The Venerable Tricia Hillas, the next Bishop of Sodor and Man, said: “‘Gem of God’s earth’, ‘Seabound Kingdom’, and much-loved place ‘between the hills and the sea’; these evocative descriptions only begin to touch on the beauty and heart of the Isle of Man. After many years visiting as a guest I am thrilled to be called to make my home there, along with Andrew my husband, and to serve the Island and all her people as the next Bishop of Sodor and Man. As Bishop I am keen to get to know people of all ages and from all parts of the Island and to be known by them. I eagerly look forward to being part of a church and wider community which have deep roots in faith, going back over 1,500 years, and which at the same time are moving ahead into God’s future. I hope we shall treasure the traditions of the past whilst looking to the new opportunities ahead. I have encountered at first hand the warmth and faithfulness of Christians on the Island. Now I look forward to joining with them in living and sharing the transforming love of God for all. We are of course made and shaped by the many significant people who surround us. I would therefore like to express my thanks to all on the Island, in the Westminster Parliament, at Westminster Abbey and those who took part in the discernment process, who have been so supportive and inspiring. The Most Revd and Rt Hon Stephen Cottrell, Archbishop of York said: “I am delighted that His Majesty the King has approved the appointment of The Venerable Patricia Hillas as the next Bishop of Sodor and Man. Tricia is a person of great wisdom and faithfulness. She knows and loves the Isle of Man and will serve the communities of this lovely diocese with care and joy using her considerable gifts in the service of the whole community and not only the Church. This may be the smallest diocese in the Church of England but it has one of the biggest hearts. I know that today the Island will come together and join in prayer to welcome Bishop Tricia.” Sir Lindsay Hoyle, Speaker of the House of Commons, said: He could not think of a kinder or more engaging person than Tricia to take up the post on the Isle of Man. “Tricia has been an amazing colleague who has been at my side during some of the most turbulent and challenging times, but also among the most celebratory. Together we have faced the impact on the parliamentary community of Covid, the murder of our much-loved colleague Sir David Amess, the deaths of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her husband the Duke of Edinburgh, the Coronation of His Majesty King Charles III, and even the death of my dear father. We have introduced opportunities to mark Holocaust Memorial Day, Armed Forces Day, the Constituency Garden of Remembrance, Commonwealth Day, and of course, the many Christmas and multi-faith events we host for the parliamentary community. At every gathering and in all circumstances, Tricia has been a calming presence; exuding her trademark warmth and wise counsel to MPs and staff. There is no doubt we will miss Tricia’s friendship, but we are also so proud that one of the Speaker’s Office team has gone on to achieve high office within the church.” Congratulating Canon Hillas on her new role, the Dean of Westminster, the Very Reverend Dr David Hoyle, said: “Whilst we are sorry to be losing Tricia, who has been such a splendid colleague, we are delighted for her, for Andrew and for the Diocese as we think about all that lies ahead. As Archdeacon, responsible for the care of residents and colleagues, Tricia has been compassionate in crisis and wise in counsel. She is profoundly committed to the building of a just and equitable society and we are better thanks to her vision and her diligence. She reminds us there is still work to do. With humour, with style and with energy she has done so much to build relationships across Parliament Square and within the precincts. In the Abbey, her ministry has rested on a deeply understood faith, lived out in word and action. She leaves with our thanks and our prayers.” The Bishop of London, Dame Sarah Mullally, said: “Tricia has given so much to London over the years, whether most recently as Speaker’s Chaplain, in her time in parish ministry across the Diocese, or during her time at St Paul’s Cathedral. She has inhabited each of these callings with her strong, calm leadership, and her deeply pastoral approach, all of which will prove invaluable in her role as Bishop. While we will miss her greatly here in the capital, I know she will continue to flourish in her ministry amongst the parishes of Sodor and Man.” * Perhaps this glowing biography and ensuing publicity is aimed at Minister Hooperman? Rubbing his nose in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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