HeliX Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 20 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Is that it? No, there's also basically everything the horrid little weasel has ever said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, The Voice of Reason said: My point exactly Except Farage isn't an elected leader. He isn’t even an elected leader of the Reform Party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 17 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Except Farage isn't an elected leader. He isn’t even an elected leader of the Reform Party. No, he’s its majority 56.667% owner/shareholder 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) 24 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Except Farage isn't an elected leader. He isn’t even an elected leader of the Reform Party. Farage was the elected leader of the UKIP party in 2013, the year of the handshake. Edited June 16 by The Voice of Reason Addition of “the elected” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Never seen Richard Butt, former editor of Isle of Man Newspapers, and Kier Starmer in the same rook together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 9 minutes ago, Barlow said: Never seen Richard Butt, former editor of Isle of Man Newspapers, and Kier Starmer in the same rook together. Not this little fella? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Oops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 19 hours ago, Max Power said: I'm sure that they had a deep meaningful conversation, over a few Smirnoffs, about how they will rule the world together? Or maybe he was in a line of people who shook hands and said nothing? I've shaken a lot of hands, but couldn't say that i've really met the people if they don't talk? Do you tend to accidentally shake hands with foreign diplomats of hostile nations and forget about it a lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 16 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Farage was the elected leader of the UKIP party in 2013, the year of the handshake. Even so he was certainly not an elected Head of State or even a Diplomat acting on the UK's behalf. Presumably then, meeting this guy was planned by UKIP or Farage himself, which makes forgetting the meeting even more unlikely. I also doublechecked what Farage was up to in 2013. The Isle of Man gets a mention as he was setting up the Farage Family Education Trust here on the Island. Seems to have led to a whole argument about tax avoidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 21 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: Even so he was certainly not an elected Head of State or even a Diplomat acting on the UK's behalf. Presumably then, meeting this guy was planned by UKIP or Farage himself, which makes forgetting the meeting even more unlikely. Or maybe planned, or requested, by the Russian chap himself ? Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: Or maybe planned, or requested, by the Russian chap himself ? Who knows? Well presumably Nigel Farage and that Russian chap but then again Nigel does think the two of them ever met despite photographic evidence to say otherwise. Do I think this is a big issue? No. Do I think it highlights Farage as a charlatan and proven liar? Yes, however, it is not the worst lie he has ever told. Neither is it one likely to incite violence. You may want to ask yourself though why Farage would be getting close to this guy (or vice versa) and why Russia may have been interested the leader of an anti-EU party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Nigel Farage: 'Matter of opinion' whether Donald Trump tried to overturn 2020 US presidential election (msn.com) Reform UK candidate resigns after calling for people to vote for far right BNP in historic comments (msn.com) Yeap, nothing remotely iffy about Reform LLC (52% owned by Farage). Amazing how many racists and proto-fascists there are in Reform and people still buy into the cult of personality that is Farage, but then you look at the cult of personality that is Trump and its almost step for step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Very interesting piece in the Guardian: The Tory party in three weeks’ time promises to be in a more ruinous, even life-threatening position than Labour was in the aftermath of the 2019 general election. Labour at least had a route to recovery after an epic defeat – to blend mainstream and centre-left opinion around a pragmatic programme for government, to eliminate all traces of antisemitism and to marginalise its toxic extremists. The question was whether its leadership, membership and trade union backers would have the capacity and want power sufficiently to pull it off. They have. Today’s Tories and their blindly ideological press – which has had such an important role in reducing the party to the political carrion on which Nigel Farage’s Reform now preys – has no such shared grasp of the task ahead. There is no longer a strong centre right existing as a coherent formation that could anchor such a recovery, or skilled politicians who might lead it. Instead, over this parliament the party has disintegrated into a babble of rightwing cults ranging from Trussite libertarians to “National Conservatives” stressing the traditional virtues of family, faith and national community. The response to the desperate conditions in which millions now live and the wider crises of stagnant productivity and investment, intensified by Brexit, is to blame immigration, working-class fecklessness and high taxes – even if those are moderate by European standards. Farage’s malevolent talent has been to aggregate this ragbag of prejudice and saloon bar one-liners into a simulacrum of a political party, which last week in one poll topped the Tories – the “crossover” point. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/16/thatcherism-austerity-brexit-liz-truss-goodbye-and-good-riddance-to-all-that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: Well presumably Nigel Farage and that Russian chap but then again Nigel does think the two of them ever met despite photographic evidence to say otherwise. Do I think this is a big issue? No. Do I think it highlights Farage as a charlatan and proven liar? Yes, however, it is not the worst lie he has ever told. Neither is it one likely to incite violence. You may want to ask yourself though why Farage would be getting close to this guy (or vice versa) and why Russia may have been interested the leader of an anti-EU party. In the same year (2013) Putin met inter alia Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and her PM Mark Rutte, David Cameron ( pro EU) and Pope Francis. Why would he be getting close to these individuals (or vice versa)? Very suspicious wouldn’t you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 39 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: In the same year (2013) Putin met inter alia Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and her PM Mark Rutte, David Cameron ( pro EU) and Pope Francis. Why would he be getting close to these individuals (or vice versa)? Very suspicious wouldn’t you say? No, those are exactly the sort of people that I would expect to be meeting with Putin. At that time they all held significant roles on the world stage. Three of the four you mention are elected (albeit one of them has a very small electorate) to their roles. Queen Beatrix would also be meeting him as an important representative of the Netherlands much in the same way as Queen Elizabeth and now King Charles host world leaders at events in Buckingham Palace. Those are all very different from Farage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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