La Colombe Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 5 minutes ago, Anthony Ingham said: Which specific point? Haven't got a clue, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-49337180 There is even a photo of Derek Flint. Bonus. "People are twice as likely to be killed or seriously injured on the Isle of Man's roads than they are in England, Manx government statistics have shown. An average of 81.2 people per 100,000 were hurt or died in crashes, compared to England's 40.8 from 2015 to 2017." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, Two-lane said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-49337180 There is even a photo of Derek Flint. Bonus. "People are twice as likely to be killed or seriously injured on the Isle of Man's roads than they are in England, Manx government statistics have shown. An average of 81.2 people per 100,000 were hurt or died in crashes, compared to England's 40.8 from 2015 to 2017." What a pointless statistic. Can we see one for just the UKs b roads and rural country roads, because if you are including A roads and motorways it’s completely useless info 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 9 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Haven't got a clue, sorry. That’s because it’s not a specific point. It’s the whole mountain road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 “Former police inspector Derek Flint said a "grown-up debate" was needed over road safety. He said the island's "road racing culture" meant people "come and use our roads pretty much as a playground for two weeks every year for the TT". Lol. Some of the worst driving I have seen is the supercar club that Derek brings over. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, La Colombe said: Ooi, and in case you were wondering, KSIs on the signs means Killed or Seriously Injured(s) at that point. I was for a while. Wondering that is, not KSIed. Interesting really, for example 50 KSIs in 5 years seems very high. There's a map in every Chief Constable's Annual Report - or rather the Charts and Tables supplement which is where you go if you want actual information rather than pretty pictures (they had to be split off as all those numbers made Cregeen's head hurt). Here's the latest one from the 2022-23 Report: (it's zoomable for greater detail if you follow the link). It doesn't split between serious and slight injuries, but there are total numbers for the whole Island (see previous page of link). I've tabulated the figures for the last six years from various CC Reports here: 2017-18 2018-19 2019-20 2020-21 2021-22 2022-23 Fatal 3 7 3 3 5 2 Serious 41 44 38 19 39 147 Slight 176 160 128 104 126 Damage Only 645 554 519 450 479 488 Animal 21 17 18 21 32 31 Total 886 782 706 597 681 668 For some bizarre reason they combined the Serious and Slight figures last year. Judging from previous years the percentage of serious is around 22-23% of the total - though it was lower in the Covid year of 20-21. Would an average of ten serious accidents a year be plausible for the Mountain Road? Possibly if it's for the whole of it, though you would think that is stretching the idea of a Black Spot to its limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Anthony Ingham said: compared to what? Thanks for reminding me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCDMQqDUtv4 "Tired old ladies kissin' dogs" They don't write them like that any more. And there is even a genuine "Sock it to me" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: There's a map in every Chief Constable's Annual Report - or rather the Charts and Tables supplement which is where you go if you want actual information rather than pretty pictures (they had to be split off as all those numbers made Cregeen's head hurt). Here's the latest one from the 2022-23 Report: (it's zoomable for greater detail if you follow the link). It doesn't split between serious and slight injuries, but there are total numbers for the whole Island (see previous page of link). I've tabulated the figures for the last six years from various CC Reports here: 2017-18 2018-19 2019-20 2020-21 2021-22 2022-23 Fatal 3 7 3 3 5 2 Serious 41 44 38 19 39 147 Slight 176 160 128 104 126 Damage Only 645 554 519 450 479 488 Animal 21 17 18 21 32 31 Total 886 782 706 597 681 668 For some bizarre reason they combined the Serious and Slight figures last year. Judging from previous years the percentage of serious is around 22-23% of the total - though it was lower in the Covid year of 20-21. Would an average of ten serious accidents a year be plausible for the Mountain Road? Possibly if it's for the whole of it, though you would think that is stretching the idea of a Black Spot to its limits. Easily, this discussion has been on here before. I reckon as a mountain road user daily that there can easily be an average of 2 incidents a week up there, not always serious or involving injury (thanks to modern car safety features) but certainly 1 vehicle "offs" and other occurrences. I think I tallied nearly 40 in 8 months a couple of years ago. Cars on the hillsides, fresh skid marks running off the road, lumps out of banking, demolished fences, even a lamp post snapped in two at the Bungalow crossing on the Laxey side. Mostly occurring during AM and PM commuter traffic but a fair share of late nighters too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Two-lane said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-49337180 There is even a photo of Derek Flint. Bonus. "People are twice as likely to be killed or seriously injured on the Isle of Man's roads than they are in England, Manx government statistics have shown. An average of 81.2 people per 100,000 were hurt or died in crashes, compared to England's 40.8 from 2015 to 2017." Per 100,000 of population presumably, although how many of the 81.2 weren't part of that population? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 hours ago, Two-lane said: "People are twice as likely to be killed or seriously injured on the Isle of Man's roads than they are in England, Manx government statistics have shown. That's not what those statistics show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 So all the signs say 50 KSIs in last five years? They're different to the old ones you used to see then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Ingham Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 2 minutes ago, La Colombe said: So all the signs say 50 KSIs in last five years? They're different to the old ones you used to see then. I have run that through google translate, and am none the wiser. Can you try again in English please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 57 minutes ago, La Colombe said: So all the signs say 50 KSIs in last five years? They're different to the old ones you used to see then. yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSI But I think La Colombe means killed or seriously injured. Edited May 27 by Gladys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted May 27 Author Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Gladys said: But I think La Colombe means killed or seriously injured. It's not my acronym. It's the police's. 7 hours ago, La Colombe said: Ooi, and in case you were wondering, KSIs on the signs means Killed or Seriously Injured(s) at that point. I was for a while. Wondering that is, not KSIed. Interesting really, for example 50 KSIs in 5 years seems very high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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