HeliX Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: But little of that is about comparison with T&Cs between PS and private sector which is what this debate is about. The T&Cs are mildly better, and the pay is worse. You pays your money you takes your choice... Quote And incompetence tends to get emptied a lot, lot quicker in the private sector because it impacts the bottom line. Massively disagree. Firing people is difficult, and expensive. Quote Do you think Peel Ports would have tolerated the conduct leading to the £100M costs associated with Liverpool Terminal, had they been building it? Privately funded projects run over budget all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, HeliX said: The T&Cs are mildly better, and the pay is worse. You pays your money you takes your choice... Massively disagree. Firing people is difficult, and expensive. Privately funded projects run over budget all the time. Which department are you in?, you only start getting involved in posts if it involves any criticism of a public servant for their pay! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just now, Banker said: Which department are you in?, you only start getting involved in posts if it involves any criticism of a public servant for their pay! You're free to look at my profile to see that I stick my oar into all sorts. Or to take me up on an offer I've made you previously, 10k in escrow and I'll show you proof of my lack of public sector employment. If I'm lying you take my cash, if I'm telling the truth I'll take yours. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 4 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Holidays as advertised start at 21 days pa plus a career-increasing number of privilege days and observance of every public and bank holiday (10 days as advertised), which many private sector employers do not; that can soon rack up to 7 or 8 weeks holiday a year It can’t. It’s 21 days, plus 10 public holidays, plus 1 privilege day that was only reinstated last year. 32 days is not 7 or 8 weeks. I agree that IOM employment law is particularly weak on this though, stating a minimum of 20 days paid leave. In the UK the minimum paid leave is 28 days. 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: And incompetence tends to get emptied a lot, lot quicker in the private sector because it impacts the bottom line. I’ve had the pleasure in my career of working in the private sector, the public sector, and the charitable sector. Incompetence doesn’t get emptied out of the private sector any quicker than any other sector. Especially as the absolute worst cases of nepotism I’ve ever seen have all been in the private sector. It’s amazing what banging the boss’ daughter does for the career prospects of the otherwise talentless. 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: Do you think Peel Ports would have tolerated the conduct leading to the £100M costs associated with Liverpool Terminal, had they been building it? Construction projects go over-budget all the time. The Trafford Centre, which eventually cost Peel £700m to build, went way way way over budget. Edited June 18 by Ringy Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Good news! Alf has asked the CEO and the chief officer team to conduct an efficiency review into headcount and delivery across central Government departments and report back to him in November. You'll be able to count on 1 hand (and won't even need that) the number of job reductions that will come from this task. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ringy Rose said: It can’t. It’s 21 days, plus 10 public holidays, plus 1 privilege day that was only reinstated last year. 32 days is not 7 or 8 weeks. 21 days plus 10 days plus one privilege day as a starting point is 32 days. Then you can add on the extra entitlements after one and three years and extra privilege days that can be accrued over long employment. 32 days as a starting point is only 3 days short of 35 days, which is seven working weeks of five days per week. 40 days is 8 weeks. Edited June 18 by Non-Believer screenshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 58 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: Good news! Alf has asked the CEO and the chief officer team to conduct an efficiency review into headcount and delivery across central Government departments and report back to him in November. You'll be able to count on 1 hand (and won't even need that) the number of job reductions that will come from this task. Sadly I agree. If cuts happen that would be an admission that his policy and recruitment has been wrong. First thing they should do is halt recruitment , apart from health care staff and when the review has been carried out make decisions on staff levels then. I’m not holding my breath ! . Edited June 18 by Numbnuts 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) And if I’m being really honest they just need to save time and look at management and the various levels. Ohhh and then their dreamed up job titles. In my dealings over the last year with government departments it’s clear coal face staff work hard while their bosses are swinging the lead . And in lots of cases have always done and don’t know any different. Edited June 18 by Numbnuts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/cannan-pledges-to-get-a-grip-of-government-headcount-697968 "‘Part of this “grip” of headcount will require a full audit and cleanse of PiP, our personnel information system, so that you can be confident of data,’ he told Tynwald." What is PiP? To use internal staff to conduct an audit of this kind, is not sensible. There is a conflict of interest. Can you imagine the current Chief Secretary (who prefers the title of Chief Executive Officer) bragging that he has made severe cuts to the organisation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: 21 days plus 10 days plus one privilege day as a starting point is 32 days. Then you can add on the extra entitlements after one and three years and extra privilege days that can be accrued over long employment. 32 days as a starting point is only 3 days short of 35 days, which is seven working weeks of five days per week. 40 days is 8 weeks. Since when have public holidays counted as annual leave. Starting point is 21 days. Period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Two-lane said: https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/cannan-pledges-to-get-a-grip-of-government-headcount-697968 "‘Part of this “grip” of headcount will require a full audit and cleanse of PiP, our personnel information system, so that you can be confident of data,’ he told Tynwald." What is PiP? To use internal staff to conduct an audit of this kind, is not sensible. There is a conflict of interest. Can you imagine the current Chief Secretary (who prefers the title of Chief Executive Officer) bragging that he has made severe cuts to the organisation? PiP is the personnel information system as it says, where payslips, holidays etc are logged. Edited June 18 by Gladys 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbnuts Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Gladys said: PiP is the personnel information system as it saus, where payslips, holidays etc are logged. Wonder is this a reaction to the news the other month about overpayments and the likes on payslips ? Edited June 18 by Numbnuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Since when have public holidays counted as annual leave. Starting point is 21 days. Period. I'm not inuding them as annual leave. They are however non-working days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 minutes ago, Gladys said: PiP is the personnel information system as it says, where payslips, holidays etc are logged. Thanks. https://hr.gov.im/pip/ I did not see any indication if it is bought-in or home-made. Nevertheless it is a fairly new system, so the need for a deep-clean of the data seems strange. Cannan's comment that "a full audit and cleanse of PiP," for a system that does payroll is a bit worrying. My conclusion is either the system is poorly designed, or that they allowed the database to get out of control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 hours ago, Banker said: Lots in public sector wouldn’t be paid much if they were being paid on output, it would reduce salary costs substantially!! How on earth are you going to measure the output of a Nurse? Fire Officer? Traffic Warden? Youth Worker? Paramedic? Primary School Teacher? Administrator at the Manx Museum? Lifeguard at the NSC? Porter at Nobles? How do you measure the output of a private sector worker? Especially Bankers? The amount they get bailed out by taxpayers? £23bn was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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