Ringy Rose Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 minutes ago, Radiolistner said: You really personify the general sense of public sector arrogance and self entitlement in your posting style. As a taxpayer how much am I and everyone else here paying you to post rubbish on a public forum during work hours? Yup, I’m all arrogant, what with my ability to spell basic words correctly and whatnot. The taxpayer doesn’t pay my wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 14 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: At least I can manage to spell the word “listener” correctly. It’s a really really hard word, so I can see why someone with your towering intellect would struggle with it. Don’t engage. It’s Mr Angry, BrIT, Offshoremanxman and dozens of other alteregos, reincarnated 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, John Wright said: Don’t engage. It’s Mr Angry, BrIT, Offshoremanxman and dozens of other alteregos, reincarnated I’m not sure how you can tell that. Is it the high levels of literacy or is it the calm coherence in their writing? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Just now, Ringy Rose said: I’m not sure how you can tell that. Is it the high levels of literacy or is it the calm coherence in their writing? 🤣 Posting style 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiolistner Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 31 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: Yup, I’m all arrogant, what with my ability to spell basic words correctly and whatnot. The taxpayer doesn’t pay my wage. You simply reek of a sense self entitlement. I’d say DOI or DHSC. How much have we paid for such insight and intellectual prowess posted on this forum today when you should have been working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Give it a rest with the personal insults please. Adults are trying to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Taxpayers money to burn 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiolistner Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 38 minutes ago, piebaps said: Give it a rest with the personal insults please. Adults are trying to read. It’s nice how you public sector folk stick together. I’m assuming everyone’s had a nice lunch now and can get a few hours posting in before going home at 5PM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 3 hours ago, Ringy Rose said: It’s only 29 days once you hit ten years long service.. Join the PSC today and you’ll get 22 days. Join a TCSP and you’ll get at least 25, in some cases more. It’s why I wouldn’t leave my current job to move to a PSC job. In my last private sector job I got 30 days + 8 public holidays from day one. In my third sector job I got 26+8 from day one, with an extra 5 after 5 years service. The PSC T&Cs are rubbish, especially for new starters. The benefits are job security and the pension. The rest is really quite shite unless you’re a long-timer. It was swings and roundabouts. Annual leave entitlement changed in 2021/2, reducing from a maximum of 30 to a maximum of 28, but with additional days for long service kicking in slightly earlier (it used to be kept at 21 until 5 years service). So 29 is still less than what someone would have got prior to 2021/22. That was part of that year’s pay award of 1%, which was also below inflation. But yes, it was offered in lieu of a pay rise that went anywhere near inflation. And it was offered on a day where many government buildings were already closed, and where most private sector businesses are also closed or on skeleton staff. As for your mathematics, 39 days- if you really insist on including public holidays- is not 8 weeks. 32 days, which is what a new starter gets, is not 7 weeks. But yes, we get it. Anyone in the PCS gets 52 weeks a year off on holiday and they get a free ride on your wife. People in the private sector have to walk uphill both ways and get 3 minutes a year off. As we can see from the fact that there’s a stampede along Athol Street from all the banks and law firms and TCSPs every Friday, poor downtrodden private sector staff desperate for a bit of that hot PCS action. You remind me of a guy in a group I was with in the pub on Saturday evening, vociferously adamant that he wasn't going to accept the 2% pay offer, his reasoning being, "We didn't get the inflation rate last time, we deserve more this time". Note, "deserve". So then he's asked, "Where do you think all the money is going to come from for your and your mates' rise?" The response was, "I don't know or care". Which pretty much sums it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 21 Author Share Posted June 21 17 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: You remind me of a guy in a group I was with in the pub on Saturday evening, vociferously adamant that he wasn't going to accept the 2% pay offer, his reasoning being, "We didn't get the inflation rate last time, we deserve more this time". Note, "deserve". So then he's asked, "Where do you think all the money is going to come from for your and your mates' rise?" The response was, "I don't know or care". Which pretty much sums it up. Yes a lot of public sector or very entitled expecting large pay rises whether there’s any money to pay for them or not. IOMG needs to be saying the pay rises need to be self financing eg job cuts, more efficiently etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, Banker said: Yes a lot of public sector or very entitled expecting large pay rises whether there’s any money to pay for them or not. IOMG needs to be saying the pay rises need to be self financing eg job cuts, more efficiently etc Which of these job cuts would you start with? Current Manx Care vacancies Current DESC vacancies Current Manx Utilities vacancies Current Infrastructure vacancies Edited June 21 by Meoir Shee Typo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 39 minutes ago, Meoir Shee said: Which of these job cuts would you start with? Current Manx Care vacancies Current DESC vacancies Current Manx Utilities vacancies Current Infrastructure vacancies What about the admin posts for say policy, transformation, middle management etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 On 6/20/2024 at 1:01 PM, cissolt said: We really should be putting a stop on any new recruitment outside health/atc/police. Defa are the worst culprits, we have a team of upland rangers....a brand new farm carbon manager... 50 minutes ago, Meoir Shee said: Which of these job cuts would you start with? Current Manx Care vacancies Current DESC vacancies Current Manx Utilities vacancies Current Infrastructure vacancies I understand the cops are currently 30 under strength 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) 2 hours ago, Meoir Shee said: Which of these job cuts would you start with? Current Manx Care vacancies Current DESC vacancies Current Manx Utilities vacancies Current Infrastructure vacancies You don't start here. You start by looking at the organisational structures, i.e. how many layers or levels are there from top to bottom? I'd expect the IOMG to have no more than six or seven, where Ralphs is 1, the Chief Officers are 2, and the most junior person who joined from school yesterday is six or seven. You look at spans of control i.e. how many people is each manager managing. If it's less that (say) five, can we merge some management roles to achive more realistic spans of control. You take a hard look at any role with 'deputy' in the title. What are they actually doing? Is it a real job, or just someone who fills in when the real postholder is missing. You look hard at managers or specialists who sit outside the organisational structure, and don't have anyone reporting to them. What are they actually producing. What are people actually producing and what is its value in relation to theobjectives of the department? I've done this type of work in a previous life. I can guarantee that, if done properly and objectively, in an organisation that has not been examined before, you will find that 20-25% of roles will have a "?" against them. The majority will be in the middle of the structure chart. When you design a new structure, challenging all those "???" you can reasonably expect to determine that around 15% of roles are not required. But, you need CEO's and CO's who are engaged in the process to accept the outcomes. Edited June 21 by Nellie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 6 hours ago, Non-Believer said: You remind me of a guy in a group I was with in the pub on Saturday evening, vociferously adamant that he wasn't going to accept the 2% pay offer, his reasoning being, "We didn't get the inflation rate last time, we deserve more this time". Note, "deserve". I’m not in the PSC precisely because the PSC terms and conditions are so shite. But good of you to lurch into the personal insults, I’ll take that to mean you know I’m right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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