Banker Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 43 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: 3.25% for this year seems fair, with inflation supposedly being about 2.5%. Although most of the reduced inflation rate now is due to energy cost decreases, and let’s see what happens to gas prices in October. 2.5% next year when the likes of Cornwall Insight are expecting gas prices to go up by between 10% and 15% in October will obviously be more of a sticking point for the unions. Especially as there’s no scope for that to be renegotiated if inflation is higher than now. It’s part of government offer for second & third years that if CPI higher or lower than 2% then negotiations will be reopened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 someone needs to ask how many public servants on over £100k a year can't believe we are advertising for a head of gaming £174k a year some of these salaries and gold plated pensions need to be reviewed no wonder there is nothing left to actually provided services anymore 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Banker said: It’s part of government offer for second & third years that if CPI higher or lower than 2% then negotiations will be reopened. No it isn’t, it’s only for the third year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 2 hours ago, Omobono said: someone needs to ask how many public servants on over £100k a year can't believe we are advertising for a head of gaming £174k a year some of these salaries and gold plated pensions need to be reviewed no wonder there is nothing left to actually provided services anymore There was a Tynwald question about it, most are in health. The alarming thing is how many have popped up since Covid in non health roles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 The unions are advising their members to reject this offer, if they do so then the horse-trading begins. They won't accept less than inflation plus a small percentage for "improvement". Govt will capitulate for fear of PS unrest and I'm going to predict a settlement in excess of 4% for the first year with various sweeteners thrown in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 6 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: The unions are advising their members to reject this offer, if they do so then the horse-trading begins. They won't accept less than inflation plus a small percentage for "improvement". Govt will capitulate for fear of PS unrest and I'm going to predict a settlement in excess of 4% for the first year with various sweeteners thrown in. Meanwhile in the real world we'll just have to get by with no pay rise and dig deeper to fund the PS/CS ones! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, cissolt said: There was a Tynwald question about it, most are in health. The alarming thing is how many have popped up since Covid in non health roles The most recent oral question was in June Tynwald: 8. The Hon. Member for Douglas Central, Mr Thomas, to ask the Minister for the Treasury – How the salary information for staff with annual remuneration above £100,000 on page 93 of the March 2023 Annual Financial Statements (GD 2023/0130) was obtained; if he will detail the roles and employing bodies of these staff; how these roles are evaluated and graded; and if he will make a statement. The trouble is I can't find the answer on the listen files. Every other question seems to be there and Tynwald Twitter suggests it took 11 minutes to answer. The table referred to was discussed on MF on the Budget thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meoir Shee Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 9 hours ago, finlo said: Meanwhile in the real world we'll just have to get by with no pay rise and dig deeper to fund the PS/CS ones! ONS: “Annual growth in regular earnings (excluding bonuses) was 6.0%” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 24 minutes ago, Meoir Shee said: ONS: “Annual growth in regular earnings (excluding bonuses) was 6.0% 1 not the iom. 2 carried out by a government body! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 10 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: The most recent oral question was in June Tynwald: 8. The Hon. Member for Douglas Central, Mr Thomas, to ask the Minister for the Treasury – How the salary information for staff with annual remuneration above £100,000 on page 93 of the March 2023 Annual Financial Statements (GD 2023/0130) was obtained; if he will detail the roles and employing bodies of these staff; how these roles are evaluated and graded; and if he will make a statement. The trouble is I can't find the answer on the listen files. Every other question seems to be there and Tynwald Twitter suggests it took 11 minutes to answer. The table referred to was discussed on MF on the Budget thread. I'm sure they "declined" to answer that question and/or it was skirted around, it was discussed on these boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, Meoir Shee said: ONS: “Annual growth in regular earnings (excluding bonuses) was 6.0%” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 hours ago, Meoir Shee said: ONS: “Annual growth in regular earnings (excluding bonuses) was 6.0%” In my view that's not a like-for-like comparison. That reflects people seeking higher paying jobs & grades in the private sector (in addition to the component of annual wage increase in the same role). In the CS there has been grade/band inflation over time with a greater proportion of roles HEO/SEO (as in the private sector) which has seen the overall pay structure increase much more than the annual pay raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, Non-Believer said: I'm sure they "declined" to answer that question and/or it was skirted around, it was discussed on these boards. That was in May, to do with when Thomas had tried to force an answer to his original Written Question by putting down a Tynwald Motion. He then withdrew his Motion, presumably because they answered it last minutes and weeks late. I suspect Skelly told him it was now out or order, even though the answer was basically "Fuck Off!". Thomas had another go in June 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 44 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: That was in May, to do with when Thomas had tried to force an answer to his original Written Question by putting down a Tynwald Motion. He then withdrew his Motion, presumably because they answered it last minutes and weeks late. I suspect Skelly told him it was now out or order, even though the answer was basically "Fuck Off!". Thomas had another go in June If all is well with Govt numbers and remuneration, as Alf periodically advises us (and who advises Alf?), one might wonder the need for the regular questions (or attempts to elicit answers) from Thomas, Edge, Moorhouse and Co. Then again, one might also wonder what progress is being made with Alf's request for a review of the Govt employment files? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Onchan Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 I'd rather the Unions started suggesting to their members that they should pay more into their pensions schemes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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