Derek Flint Posted Thursday at 07:29 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:29 PM 13 minutes ago, Two-lane said: This should be (and I say this without a trace of cynicism or sarcasm - honest, guv) an evidence-based decision. Manx Care should have the data. Unfortunately, we do not. It was posted elsewhere that there had been an extra 6 visits to Nobles I think? 5 minutes ago, Gladys said: Unfortunately, health is one of those things that directly affects the population that is here, so it isn't a good example to debate. However, you posted a link to a biosphere job. How did we get the biosphere status in the first place? Did we do a huge amount of overhaul and preparation, or was it what was already there? So was it by design or lucky happenstance? If the latter, why the hell are we spending more money to secure what we inately already have? Biosphere is a paid- for status. IIP was another one. Eventually, folk realised they were being mugged off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpot Posted Thursday at 07:31 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:31 PM 1 minute ago, Derek Flint said: It was posted elsewhere that there had been an extra 6 visits to Nobles I think? Biosphere is a paid- for status. IIP was another one. Eventually, folk realised they were being mugged off Do people still do IIP? What a load of gash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted Thursday at 07:33 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:33 PM 1 minute ago, Tinpot said: Do people still do IIP? What a load of gash The Army was one of the first to ditch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted Thursday at 07:34 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:34 PM 1 minute ago, Tinpot said: Do people still do IIP? What a load of gash That was a 'thing' 30 odd years ago. One of the first accreditation badges you could put on your letterhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpot Posted Thursday at 07:38 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:38 PM 3 minutes ago, Gladys said: That was a 'thing' 30 odd years ago. One of the first accreditation badges you could put on your letterhead. These days it a sign of a company or organisation that should be focusing on more important things. Probably one that’s awful to work for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted Thursday at 07:42 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:42 PM 11 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: Biosphere is a paid- for status. IIP was another one. Eventually, folk realised they were being mugged off So, we paid to be 'the first biosphere nation'? FFS, and now we are continuing to pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted Thursday at 07:46 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:46 PM Just now, Gladys said: So, we paid to be 'the first biosphere nation'? FFS, and now we are continuing to pay? These things become a self-perpetuating industry all of their own, unfortunately they don't produce anything tangible of worth, which is fortunate for their supporters because usefully there often aren't any benchmarks to measure it either. But they are a useful foundation stone for those with an eye on empire construction 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary Posted Thursday at 07:49 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:49 PM 5 minutes ago, Gladys said: So, we paid to be 'the first biosphere nation'? FFS, and now we are continuing to pay? Wouldn't take Derek at face value, their website (https://www.biosphere.im/faq) explicitly says Quote Is there a charge to be a UNESCO Biosphere? No. Membership of the World Network of UNESCO Biosphere Reserves is earned and not paid for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted Thursday at 07:50 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:50 PM Just now, Non-Believer said: These things become a self-perpetuating industry all of their own, unfortunately they don't produce anything tangible of worth, which is fortunate for their supporters because usefully there often aren't any benchmarks to measure it either. But they are a useful foundation stone for those with an eye on empire construction Someone from the Manx farmers union was on MR recently saying how the status was am opportunity lost. She didn't explain why, but perhaps the better tack was to say 'this is how we have always done things, which is in an ethically correct way, as farming goes, anyway'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted Thursday at 08:05 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:05 PM 1 hour ago, Gladys said: At some point there will have to be a recognition that we are a little island with a very small population, and Government should adjust itself to that reality. We don't have to lead the world on anything, (as though the rest of the world gives two f*cks if we do), and should concentrate on providing the best for the population that we have, not those we could/hope to have, or other spectators, who actually couldn't give two of the aforesaid. Do that well, then others may want to move, or not, but the focus should not be on what can be done to encourage new residents. Service the population we have, do it well and do it fairly. Excellent post. A biosphere review officer is just a luxury we can't afford. Without doubt we pay unesco for our Biosphere designation, but it makes no difference at all to the Island. No-one travels here because of our Biosphere status, it's pure DEFA vanity. Save the money on this salary and for paying to renew the status and just let it lapse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b4mbi Posted Thursday at 08:13 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:13 PM 16 minutes ago, Mercenary said: Wouldn't take Derek at face value, their website (https://www.biosphere.im/faq) explicitly says Bullshit. I woudn't take that website at face value either. No direct charge maybe, but I bet you have to be a member of Unesco to be able to qualify for unesco biosphere status. Look at unesco website for their funding, they are tranparent, but not to the level of our contribution. I emailed them a while back, but didn't get a response... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsaa Posted Thursday at 08:50 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:50 PM If I pay, can I become the first human biosphere? No man is an island, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted Thursday at 09:26 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:26 PM You can but you have to let Rats live on you and Midges bite you !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anyone Posted Thursday at 09:37 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:37 PM 2 hours ago, Derek Flint said: The Army was one of the first to ditch it. I would imagine trying to apply IIP to a macho fighting machine might not work too well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted Thursday at 11:18 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:18 PM 3 hours ago, Gladys said: So, we paid to be 'the first biosphere nation'? FFS, and now we are continuing to pay? No, of course not. Scurrilous comment. We won it in a competition on a cornflakes packet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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