Meoir Shee Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) 10 hours ago, Banker said: Perhaps we should bring this guy over to slash civil servants 😂 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c255zdlde92o I’d prefer if they brought over this guy. 😂 Ólafur Hauksson Edited June 13 by Meoir Shee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 Latest news, only but I agree with halsall on is the flat rate element so lower paid get more bit of course all the senior civil servants will be lobbying politicians against that https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/unite-inundated-with-negative-responses-following-disgraceful-pay-offer/proposal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ram Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 The private sector is crying out for half decent staff, so if they feel so hard done by why don’t they try their hand in the real world? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Successive Governments, including this one, have done absolutely nothing to reduce the PS headcount, or even control it in any meaningful way. Attempts at dealing with waste and efficiency have been simply pathetic and there never has been any focus on prioritising resources on the delivery of core services. However, nearly every year we play out this charade at the public sector annual pay claim round. Ministers will trot out the BS about private/public sector pay comparisons and pretend that value for the taxpayer is their priority, knowing that it plays well to everyone outside of the PS, then usual service is soon resumed. Inflation-linked Pay rises are not the issue; the issue is the sheer size of the PS and the failure to control it. 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roger Ram said: The private sector is crying out for half decent staff, so if they feel so hard done by why don’t they try their hand in the real world? Because they know full well that most of the private sector would not offer them the same generous terms that they already enjoy. The "flexible working", the working from home, the generous pension scheme, the discounts in public facilities, the cycle schemes, the free parking, the other T&Cs that allow them to run to their unions and claim compensation for the slightest perceived infringement. The annual inflation-plus payrises and 12 monthly increases. They wouldn't get zipwire trips or jollies to foreign parts holding politician's hands. They would be expected to put in a full day's work and show tangible results for it. Most of all, any private employer would not tolerate the cockups, losses and miscalculations that cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds to correct. The vast majority of these people wouldn't know what had hit them if they joined the private sector and/or would be out on their ears in very short order. KLB is quite correct in saying that public sector reward is outstripping the private sector; most people don't know by just how much. Edited June 16 by Non-Believer Typo 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ram Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Because they know full well that most of the private sector would not offer them the same generous terms that they already enjoy. The "flexible working", the working from home, the generous pension scheme, the discounts in public facilities, the cycle schemes, the free parking, the other T&Cs that allow them to run to their unions and claim compensation for the slightest perceived infringement. The annual inflation-plus payrises and 12 monthly increases. They wouldn't get zipwire trips or jollies to foreign parts holding politician's hands. They would be expected to put in a full day's work and show tangible results for it. Most of all, any private employer would not tolerate the cockups, losses and miscalculations that cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds to correct. The vast majority of these people wouldn't know what had hit them if they joined the private sector and/or would be out on their ears in very short order. KLB is quite correct in saying that public sector reward is outstripping the private sector; most people don't know by just how much. Cycle schemes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 14 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: The "flexible working", the working from home https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/06/13/bankers-sacked-faking-work-following-rise-mouse-jigglers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 42 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Because they know full well that most of the private sector would not offer them the same generous terms that they already enjoy. The "flexible working", the working from home, the generous pension scheme, the discounts in public facilities, the cycle schemes, the free parking, the other T&Cs that allow them to run to their unions and claim compensation for the slightest perceived infringement. The annual inflation-plus payrises and 12 monthly increases. They wouldn't get zipwire trips or jollies to foreign parts holding politician's hands. They would be expected to put in a full day's work and show tangible results for it. Most of all, any private employer would not tolerate the cockups, losses and miscalculations that cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions of pounds to correct. The vast majority of these people wouldn't know what had hit them if they joined the private sector and/or would be out on their ears in very short order. KLB is quite correct in saying that public sector reward is outstripping the private sector; most people don't know by just how much. Don’t forget the 6months full sick pay plus further 6 months at half pay for a large majority, the flexible working is areal scam, lots come in at 8, eat breakfast at desk, look at personal emails, have a chat and start actual work around 9 before leaving at 4 or take as extra holidays 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 The problem is that these T&Cs and benefits are negotiated and granted in times of plenty; in Govt and union terms that leaves them set in stone. When those times become less plentiful, these T&Cs and bennies still have to be funded and indeed are expected to be funded by their entitled recipients, Govt then duly acquiesces for "fear of legal and industrial challenge" to any amendments, regardless of how well intentioned in the bigger picture. So the only way to maintain the terms is increased taxes on the rest. Present entitlement has to be observed, we saw that previously in the implementation of both GUS and the PSC, only new entrants are affected in the main. So we end up pulling £100+M out of the reserves per year ad infinitum to help fund it. Of course the fact that those reviewing and implementing any change might be adversely impacted doesn't help matters either, to include MHKs who are linked and the CS itself. The 2% pay offer will be the starting point for negotiations, I would bet on a 4%-5% final settlement with a few other sweeteners thrown in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 6 hours ago, Banker said: the flexible working is areal scam, lots come in at 8, eat breakfast at desk, look at personal emails, have a chat and start actual work around 9 before leaving at 4 or take as extra holidays This remains fiction/speculation unless you have proof, Banker...do you? I imagine that you are a technocrat, I'm sure you understand the need to evidence a statement. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 5 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: This remains fiction/speculation unless you have proof, Banker...do you? I imagine that you are a technocrat, I'm sure you understand the need to evidence a statement. From several sources who are civil servants and some them make no secret of the fact that it’s accepted practice in some of the departments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ram Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 8 minutes ago, Banker said: From several sources who are civil servants and some them make no secret of the fact that it’s accepted practice in some of the departments. It’s accepted practice in plenty of private places as well. No harm in eating your breakfast while catching up on emails etc. It’s 2024, not 1974. To make this a point for bashing the civil service when it is just accepted office behaviour these days is pretty stupid. A number of private businesses locally and all over the world provide cereal, porridge, pastries and fruit etc for their workers. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Banker said: From several sources who are civil servants and some them make no secret of the fact that it’s accepted practice in some of the departments That's a no, then. Don't get me wrong, I know hearsay is as good as fact on MF - but if you have several sources and some of them comment on some of the departments, but the "scam" is perpetrated by lots... ...I suppose I just assumed that, as your username implies, you'd like a firmer basis for your statement. Edited June 16 by Jarndyce formatting 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 5 hours ago, Non-Believer said: ...with a few other sweeteners thrown in. Might I suggest free parking... ...on Marine Drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedupwithiom Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Just for some sort of perspective. I joined Gov from private a couple years ago. Maybe on the older contracts but not now I am financially worse off with no free parking and less benefits - it’s not the land of milk and honey these days 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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