KERED Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 12 hours ago, forestboy said: Wish they’d drop the Honorable handle. I think that "Horrible" would be a more appropriate handle for many of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsaa Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 9 hours ago, Hairy Poppins said: Does anyone actually feel any national pride from Tynwald Day? Well, we could join two events together, and have Tynwald Pride. Our great and good could sashay their way from church to mound in nipple tassels and thongs, to the accompaniment of whistles, whoops and drums. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 23 minutes ago, hoopsaa said: Well, we could join two events together, and have Tynwald Pride. Our great and good could sashay their way from church to mound in nipple tassels and thongs, to the accompaniment of whistles, whoops and drums. Some of the participants wear colonial drag already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casta Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 13 hours ago, Two-lane said: Has the title Honourable been used since the beginning of time, or has it been recently introduced? It all came in with the ministerial system. Calling chairmen of the board 'Minister' became a novelty and the egos started flying out the window, then they realised they could use the term 'honourable' too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 13 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: They seem to have always referred to each others as 'hon members' in Tynwald, but as a title for Ministers it seems more recent - or at least they are more insistent on its use. 41 minutes ago, Casta said: It all came in with the ministerial system. Calling chairmen of the board 'Minister' became a novelty and the egos started flying out the window, then they realised they could use the term 'honourable' too. Not quite. You’re conflating different things. The Honourable Member for ( name of constituency ) has been used for decades. It’s aping Westminster and rules set out in Erskine May. The Hon ( name of minister and department ) dates to the introduction of the ministerial system. It’s not a direct lift from Westminster, where it would be The Right Honourable as a recognition of membership of the Privy Council. But it’s still an aping by analogy. Of course it only applies whilst in office, whereas PC is for life ( unless you’re thrown out ) It can get worse if the MHK is an advocate, in holy orders, entitled to a post service honorary recognition of rank, or has a knighthood. So, Sir Henry Sugden and Sir Ralph Stevenson were referred to as the Honourable and Gallant member for ( constituency ) in the 60’s & 70’s. Kim Vereker ( Viscount Gort ) MHK for Castletown didn’t seem to have the added “Gallant”. So it may have been military rank. It’s outmoded now and not favoured in Westminster, as are the terms Honourable and Learned, or Reverend etc. * Stevenson was an officer in WW1, then in the Diplomatic Service between 1940 and 1955. He retired back to Balladoole and was appointed to LegCo. He was the 8th or 9th member of his family over 500 years to be selected to sit in Tynwald 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 17 minutes ago, John Wright said: Stevenson was an officer in WW1, then in the Diplomatic Service between 1940 and 1955. He retired back to Balladoole and was appointed to LegCo. He was the 8th or 9th member of his family over 500 years to be selected to sit in Tynwald That's probably an underestimate as the Tynwald website lists no less than 22 former members called Stevenson. There may be a few duplicates in there, but it's hard to tell as like most old Manx families they were very unimaginative with first names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 33 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: That's probably an underestimate as the Tynwald website lists no less than 22 former members called Stevenson. There may be a few duplicates in there, but it's hard to tell as like most old Manx families they were very unimaginative with first names. I was going from memory, thanks for counting back. The original Stevenson came over with the first Stanley. I met Ralph a couple of times, and worked with his son, Mark. It really is difficult for early years. Tynwald wasn’t called, and didn’t sit, and pass laws regularly. MHK’s were appointed for life. So whether it’s two different people, father and son, who signed legislation in 1719, 1723, 1740 etc or the same person, as a young and old man, isn’t always clear. Ralph sold Balladoole, in the late 1960’s and built a new bungalow just over the railway bridge on Malew Road. It was daubed with nationalist grafiti about tax dodgers/comeovers not being welcome. He was upset about that, given, by then, 550 unbroken years of family residence. Out of the 20+ Stevensons listed for the Keys only one was elected. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 I see the Italian ambassador is a guest tomorrow is that the bald guy somewhere referred to as guest of honour because I was told there are no royal guests this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsaa Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 23 hours ago, John Wright said: Some of the participants wear colonial drag already. It's to stop them going too fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holte End Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 On 7/4/2024 at 7:40 AM, hoopsaa said: Well, we could join two events together, and have Tynwald Pride. Our great and good could sashay their way from church to mound in nipple tassels and thongs, to the accompaniment of whistles, whoops and drums. So your superpower is X-ray vision, but limited to people wearing wigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Poppins Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Seems it was BS. No 'royal' guests this year... which is a result as it saves the taxpayers some cash. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Hairy Poppins said: Seems it was BS Well, there’s a shock… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 minute ago, Jarndyce said: Well, there’s a shock… Not for the bald Royal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frances Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 but where else could you see this combination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 3 minutes ago, Frances said: but where else could you see this combination The descent of man? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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