Derek Flint Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 The Manx rallies have always been a big deal. The best of the best came and would come again. They are big spenders too. Not a poor man's sport 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 45 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: The point being we don't need 100,000 spectators. A few thousand, even a few hundred make a huge difference to the hospitality industry. Comparing it to football is also nonsense. We don't really do football, well not in terms of attracting tourists, with the possible exception of FC IOM which has been good. I'm not knocking the many well run clubs there are but they're not really tourist attractions. If you want football go to Liverpool or Manchester, Madrid or Barcelona. What we do do very well is Motorsport. I'm not into rallying either, but Manx rally stages are well regarded throughout the rallying world. Same with other forms of motorsport, the Manx two day trial coming up, Southern hundred and MGP. We should be celebrating these things, not discouraging them. Do you think the DOI is discouraging them? We don't know for sure. There is process for getting roads closed and submission of key documents is required. It's not that onerous and many other events seem to manage ok. The last 2 big news items where an event failed.....rallies.. You can't jump to conclusions. Maybe they didn't do a proper application. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 10 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Do you think the DOI is discouraging them? We don't know for sure. There is process for getting roads closed and submission of key documents is required. It's not that onerous and many other events seem to manage ok. The last 2 big news items where an event failed.....rallies.. You can't jump to conclusions. Maybe they didn't do a proper application. Although they've managed it for many years in the past. Perhaps the rally organisers have suddenly gone rouge as far as paperwork is concerned, or perhaps the ever increasing layers of management within government have made it far too onerous for an event run by volunteers. I know which my money is on. This is the thing you see. If you create an entire profession of making rules, the rules are never going to stop coming, regardless whether they are necessary or not. People employed on huge money to create them will do just that, rather than talk themselves out of their plum job. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 28 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: The Manx rallies have always been a big deal. The best of the best came and would come again. They are big spenders too. Not a poor man's sport The ones I know spend all their cash on their cars. Nothing left for anything else, including their families 🤣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ram Posted July 7 Author Share Posted July 7 (edited) Just now, Happier diner said: The ones I know spend all their cash on their cars. Nothing left for anything else, including their families 🤣 What are you on about? The people who come here to rally are minted and spend significant amounts locally, as do the fans. Edited July 7 by Roger Ram 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 5 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Although they've managed it for many years in the past. Perhaps the rally organisers have suddenly gone rouge as far as paperwork is concerned, or perhaps the ever increasing layers of management within government have made it far too onerous for an event run by volunteers. I know which my money is on. This is the thing you see. If you create an entire profession of making rules, the rules are never going to stop coming, regardless whether they are necessary or not. People employed on huge money to create them will do just that, rather than talk themselves out of their plum job. But like I said, everyone else seems to manage ok. The parish walk and the youth cycling seems to go ahead without any issues. Yes, it's a pain but then road closures and dangerous events deserve a level of professionalism. Maybe the DOI are picking in them unfairly. I don't know the answer tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 minute ago, Roger Ram said: What are you on about? The people who come here to rally are minted and spend significant amounts locally, as do the fans. They must be different to the ones I know. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ram Posted July 7 Author Share Posted July 7 Just now, Happier diner said: They must be different to the ones I know. How many rally teams and fans that come here do you know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Roger Ram said: How many rally teams and fans that come here do you know? Not many I admit. I do know a couple here and I once had a pal who moved to Huddersfield and he was a British champs (Mintex kind of level). Not a representative sample I know but not one of them would buy you a pint. However, I can honestly say that in all my years of living here I have never ever bumped into any person in a pub, bar, restaurant, cafe or anything who has identified themselves as a rally fan or driver or team member. I like rallies and used to go watch them. Have lost touch in the last 20 years. I don't have anything against them or their sport and I hope the DOI have not intentionally hindered their event going ahead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ram Posted July 7 Author Share Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Not many I admit. I do know a couple here and I once had a pal who moved to Huddersfield and he was a British champs (Mintex kind of level). Not a representative sample I know but not one of them would buy you a pint. However, I can honestly say that in all my years of living here I have never ever bumped into any person in a pub, bar, restaurant, cafe or anything who has identified themselves as a rally fan or driver or team member. I like rallies and used to go watch them. Have lost touch in the last 20 years. I don't have anything against them or their sport and I hope the DOI have not intentionally hindered their event going ahead. So, you don’t know the ones who travel by helicopter or bring their six figure cars here and spend a fortune when visiting our island? I think you said up thread we don’t get 10 spectators? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: But like I said, everyone else seems to manage ok. The parish walk and the youth cycling seems to go ahead without any issues. Yes, it's a pain but then road closures and dangerous events deserve a level of professionalism. Why? Why do they deserve a level of professionalism? They're run by volunteers, not professionals. Along as they're safe, which the article seems to suggest they are, and history would seem to suggest the same. More rules for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, A fool and his money..... said: Perhaps the rally organisers have suddenly gone rouge as far as paperwork is concerned That’ll leave them red-faced! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Castletown stage was always a good piss up. Saw one car and that was enough. What happened or which rally was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 13 hours ago, Derek Flint said: The only question the DOi really need to ask is whether the team they are giving the RCO to is a competent operator? Insurance, qualified team, clear and defensible safety plans and operating procedures..correct levels of medical, rescue and recovery in place. The position should always be 'how do we facilitate this?' Rather than preventing it happening. But you know the personalities involved here. It’s not a question of trying to facilitate but to obstruct in the name of “safety”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 9 hours ago, A fool and his money..... said: Why? Why do they deserve a level of professionalism? They're run by volunteers, not professionals. Along as they're safe, which the article seems to suggest they are, and history would seem to suggest the same. More rules for the sake of it. Rallying has to be organised to a prescribed standard set by a governmentbody, as does TT. Organisers have to be qualified. If the prescribed standards are met to the satisfaction of the licensing body, then the RCO should be granted the only thing the DOI need to consider is public disruption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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