Non-Believer Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 I've had a rant about this on the other thread too. Just to add to it, if one accepts that the £750k is a reasonably accurate figure then one can also add to it the £225k< lost on the Cube clothing farce. Meaning that between DfE (who "support" the knock back of the rally) and DOI, civil servants have lost this Island almost £1M in revenue in just two incidents. These people are unfit to be in post. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 42 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: I've had a rant about this on the other thread too. Just to add to it, if one accepts that the £750k is a reasonably accurate figure then one can also add to it the £225k< lost on the Cube clothing farce. Meaning that between DfE (who "support" the knock back of the rally) and DOI, civil servants have lost this Island almost £1M in revenue in just two incidents. These people are unfit to be in post. But if the rally organisers failed to properly apply for the road closures, do they not have a part to pay in the losses? Not just the DfE and/or DOI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 7 minutes ago, Happier diner said: But if the rally organisers failed to properly apply for the road closures, do they not have a part to pay in the losses? Not just the DfE and/or DOI? None whatsoever. Unlike Govt,they want to promote and run the event and see a success from it and reportedly first applied in October of last year to do so when they were knocked back and told to reapply, which they did; only to be knocked back again and told that it was then too late. Assuming that it was in respect of road closures, they have been applying successfully for years previously so something has changed, either the method of application or lack of interest or willingness from the DOI. If they needed guidance in how to apply or if there were changes in how application needed to be made, then that should have been advised or supplied. The Government should be facilitating and encouraging, not allowing the organisers to fall into traps and then saying, "It's too late, you can't run it". Everything in Govt is too much trouble nowadays unless it involves sitting on arses doing nothing and getting paid for it and one Dept clearly supports another Dept in that view. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 14 minutes ago, Happier diner said: But if the rally organisers failed to properly apply for the road closures, do they not have a part to pay in the losses? Not just the DfE and/or DOI? Well the organisers tell a different story according to their Facebook. The whole thing was copied (unsourced) at the start of this topic, but here's most of it again: URGENT NEWS FROM MANX AUTOSPORT Saturday 6 July 2024 Chris Kelly Memorial Rally will not run in 2024 The Directors of Manx Autosport have to announce that the Club has not gained consent from the Department of Infrastructure to run the Chris Kelly Memorial Rally in September 2024. The application was submitted on 18 October 2023 and the Club received a reply in early March 2024 after it had requested an update on the submission. The Department gave the Club three weeks to re-submit all the information required to run the rally and in the Department’s opinion it was incomplete and not acceptable. The information contained in the application included an Event Safety Plan, an Event Risk Assessment, an overall stage plan and the application form. The Club did not submit a Traffic Management Plan and Stage Safety Plan as it had not received an acceptance for the proposed route. The Club followed the protocol that it has used several times with the exception that it started the application many months earlier following a request to do so from the Department of Infrastructure. On 30 March 2024 the Club re-submitted its amended plans to the Department but this was also rejected, on 14 May 2024, for the same reasons. At no point have the Directors and team at Manx Autosport been made aware of what in, particular, the Department was unhappy with, but the Club’s application emphasised that all its documents were live and could and would be improved upon or extended as and when required. If this is true it shows a fairly typical lack of professionalism from the DoI. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian rush Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 There’s lots of ‘stage’ or similar events including todays Gran Fondo and rally events where the organizers seem to have been capable of getting their shit together and DOI were willing to grant closures orders… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said: Well the organisers tell a different story according to their Facebook. The whole thing was copied (unsourced) at the start of this topic, but here's most of it again: URGENT NEWS FROM MANX AUTOSPORT Saturday 6 July 2024 Chris Kelly Memorial Rally will not run in 2024 The Directors of Manx Autosport have to announce that the Club has not gained consent from the Department of Infrastructure to run the Chris Kelly Memorial Rally in September 2024. The application was submitted on 18 October 2023 and the Club received a reply in early March 2024 after it had requested an update on the submission. The Department gave the Club three weeks to re-submit all the information required to run the rally and in the Department’s opinion it was incomplete and not acceptable. The information contained in the application included an Event Safety Plan, an Event Risk Assessment, an overall stage plan and the application form. The Club did not submit a Traffic Management Plan and Stage Safety Plan as it had not received an acceptance for the proposed route. The Club followed the protocol that it has used several times with the exception that it started the application many months earlier following a request to do so from the Department of Infrastructure. On 30 March 2024 the Club re-submitted its amended plans to the Department but this was also rejected, on 14 May 2024, for the same reasons. At no point have the Directors and team at Manx Autosport been made aware of what in, particular, the Department was unhappy with, but the Club’s application emphasised that all its documents were live and could and would be improved upon or extended as and when required. If this is true it shows a fairly typical lack of professionalism from the DoI. This is a statement from the rally organisers. Like you say, if it is true? I can't see why they would lie I agree. Do you not have to submit a traffic management plan and stage safety plan with the route you propose? Are you able to split the application into 2 parts? These are things we do not know. It could be any one of 1. The organiser did not submit a full application or 2. The DOI bungled it by not acting quickly enough to allow the application to be successful or 3. The DOI purposely held up the approval process to prevent the event happening. 2. Would seem to be the favourite reason, but do we really have all the facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 18 minutes ago, ian rush said: There’s lots of ‘stage’ or similar events including todays Gran Fondo and rally events where the organizers seem to have been capable of getting their shit together and DOI were willing to grant closures orders… Absolutely my point. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 27 minutes ago, ian rush said: There’s lots of ‘stage’ or similar events including todays Gran Fondo and rally events where the organizers seem to have been capable of getting their shit together and DOI were willing to grant closures orders… Isn't the Gran Fondo a DfE promotion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 17 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Isn't the Gran Fondo a DfE promotion? This, lots in DOI are lycra types! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 47 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: Isn't the Gran Fondo a DfE promotion? 29 minutes ago, finlo said: This, lots in DOI are lycra types! Whomever it is, it's a very professionally run event. Far more road closures than a rally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 4 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Whomever it is, it's a very professionally run event. Far more road closures than a rally. Did'nt Phillips and co muscle in on this event and basically ruin it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 12 minutes ago, finlo said: Did'nt Phillips and co muscle in on this event and basically ruin it? Phillips and co? How was it ruined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 12 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Phillips and co? How was it ruined? well it was a big do at Milntown lots for the family, groups playing into the night etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 15 minutes ago, Happier diner said: Phillips and co? Yes MR 5% and co stuck their oar in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 2 hours ago, Happier diner said: Do you not have to submit a traffic management plan and stage safety plan with the route you propose? Are you able to split the application into 2 parts? I would have thought you would produce the management pans after the actual route has been agreed - if they wanted a different route you'd have to start again anyway. In practice you probably have it mostly drafted in advance (it's not like it's completely new every time) and whack it in quickly, but if they didn't confirm the route first, how could you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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