Happier diner Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 48 minutes ago, cissolt said: The fact they have had no issues in the past when they followed the same process does suggest the DOI are at fault. Obviously the cycling event would have no such issues as it's an 'internal' event organized by the Mr TT himself. Would his department not have been involved in this saga? Possibly a conflict of interests? That's because two wrongs make a right? Speculation? Suggests or proves? Why don't you do an FOI and ask to see the two submissions and see if there is a difference of quality or assessment? If the rally organisers believe it, why don't they. If they don't, does that 'suggest' to you that they know they are in the wrong? As usual on here, you wont, no one else will and the truth will never be known. It will always be assumed the DOI have got it wrong, and, if they have, nothing will change. I'm sticking with my own speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 38 minutes ago, cissolt said: Obviously the cycling event would have no such issues as it's an 'internal' event organized by the Mr TT himself. Would his department not have been involved in this saga? Possibly a conflict of interests? It's difficult to tell if DfE was really in favour of the Rally or not from Johnston's reply. Obviously when DoI's inactivity and uncooperativeness led to it having to be cancelled, they're not going to criticise their fellow civil servants whatever - that's the first rule of IOMG. And there certainly seems to be a more general feeling that 'official' stuff is always valid, while stuff that other people organise is treated as an inconvenience at best. That said, the fact they were willing to pass on the estimates from the May Rally suggests there may have been some backing in DfE for it - though possibly not from motorsports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: Obviously when DoI's inactivity and uncooperativeness led to it having to be cancelled, they're not going to criticise their fellow civil servants whatever - that's the first rule of IOMG Its not like you to be so subjective on a matter. Genuinely. Its not. You are Mr Objective and yet on this you have slipped into speculation and subjectivity. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: Its not like you to be so subjective on a matter. Genuinely. Its not. You are Mr Objective and yet on this you have slipped into speculation and subjectivity. 😁 I'd suggest that is born of considerable experience of DOI actions. And the silence from DOI on the matter has been deafening since their original pronouncement. But then again they're not usually given to lowering themselves to discussion with the plebs. <£750k out the window..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred the shred Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Says who ? who made up this figure ? must be the same guy who designed the Round House and calculated the figures in that debacle. Yes the hospitality industry will suffer and the Packet which is unfortunate but I still say this is down to slackness on both sides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Fred the shred said: Says who ? who made up this figure ? must be the same guy who designed the Round House and calculated the figures in that debacle. Yes the hospitality industry will suffer and the Packet which is unfortunate but I still say this is down to slackness on both sides. As previously stated: The information on the £750K estimate came originally from the organisers of the Rally rather than the DfE and was based on an estimate of just over 1,000 visiting, competitors, support, marshals, fans and so on, staying an average of five nights. An average of £750 per head doesn't seem unreasonable, but whether that number would actually have come is another matter. This in turn was claimed to be calculated from the number who came over for the May Rally, the September one was expected to produce the same turnout. no attempt seems to have been made by the DfE to verify these figures, though it should have been possible to get some idea by talking to the Steam Packet, accommodation sector and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 6 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: As previously stated: The information on the £750K estimate came originally from the organisers of the Rally rather than the DfE and was based on an estimate of just over 1,000 visiting, competitors, support, marshals, fans and so on, staying an average of five nights. An average of £750 per head doesn't seem unreasonable, but whether that number would actually have come is another matter. This in turn was claimed to be calculated from the number who came over for the May Rally, the September one was expected to produce the same turnout. no attempt seems to have been made by the DfE to verify these figures, though it should have been possible to get some idea by talking to the Steam Packet, accommodation sector and so on. A big chunk of the £750 will be steam packet. Money that does not end up in the economy so you can probable half it straight away. Edited August 1 by Happier diner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Happier diner said: A big chunk of the £750 will be steam packet. Money that does not end up in the economy so you can probable half it straight away. Isn't the Steam Packet part of our economy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Gladys said: Isn't the Steam Packet part of our economy? I thought I read on here somewhere that the money is not banked here. Maybe I imagined it. Someone will be along to clarify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 42 minutes ago, Happier diner said: I thought I read on here somewhere that the money is not banked here. Maybe I imagined it. Someone will be along to clarify Why wouldn't they have their bank account here? Possibly when owned by a foreign bank, but now? Aren't the majority of employees based here, spend their wages here, etc? Dividends are payable to the IOMG, other fees and charges are paid to IOMG bodies and suppliers, they have premises here. What business has purely IOM suppliers? It brings goods and people into (and out) of the economy. How is the Steam Packet not part of the local economy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finlo Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 27 minutes ago, Gladys said: Why wouldn't they have their bank account here? Possibly when owned by a foreign bank, but now? Aren't the majority of employees based here, spend their wages here, etc? Dividends are payable to the IOMG, other fees and charges are paid to IOMG bodies and suppliers, they have premises here. What business has purely IOM suppliers? It brings goods and people into (and out) of the economy. How is the Steam Packet not part of the local economy? I'm pretty sure the crews are paid via the channel islands for some kind of dodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, finlo said: I'm pretty sure the crews are paid via the channel islands for some kind of dodge. Yes, it's a NI thing, IIRC. Nevertheless, they will spend their wages/salary here. You do wonder if now it is owned by IOMG, they should move the crew to an IOM payroll. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 37 minutes ago, Gladys said: Why wouldn't they have their bank account here? Possibly when owned by a foreign bank, but now? Aren't the majority of employees based here, spend their wages here, etc? Dividends are payable to the IOMG, other fees and charges are paid to IOMG bodies and suppliers, they have premises here. What business has purely IOM suppliers? It brings goods and people into (and out) of the economy. How is the Steam Packet not part of the local economy? I doubt that the majority of crew are based here or bank here. Perhaps the senior crew will be. Even if you live here you can have your salary paid into any international bank account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Happier diner said: I doubt that the majority of crew are based here or bank here. Perhaps the senior crew will be. Even if you live here you can have your salary paid into any international bank account. But those who are based here will still spend here. Why would you have your salary paid elsewhere if you live here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happier diner Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Gladys said: But those who are based here will still spend here. Why would you have your salary paid elsewhere if you live here? Family don't live here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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