New Head of Waste Management at DOI

[Roger Mexico]

The answer given by Crookall to Moorhouse's question: If he will provide an update on the Island waste strategy, is revealing in the usual depressing way:

https://tynwald.scorchnetwork.com/?file=/business/listen/AgainFiles/O-202401-1382a.mp3

Of course, as I've pointed out before, Crookall is the perfect Minister, especially for DoI, because whenever he reads out an answer he makes it sound like, not only has he never read it before (never mind read it out out) he has never encountered most of the words involved or any of the concepts.  So it's possible that nothing he actually said is connected to reality in any way.

But, as discussed in that sound file, the current idea seems to be to come come up with a new waste strategy from scratch and put it out to consultation.  As was also pointed out the previous Strategy was only produced in 2018 and is available from the IOMG website (with some supporting documentation) and in the form presented to Tynwald here:

https://www.gov.im/media/1362121/2018-approved-waste-strategy.pdf

and was updated in a Report on Waste Strategy presented to Tynwald in July 2022:

https://www.tynwald.org.im/spfile?file=/business/opqp/sittings/20212026/2022-GD-0054.pdf

So the requirement to start all over again seems a bit strange unless to the purpose is to put off the evil day when they actually have to do something.  Yet again.

Admittedly both documents are pretty vague stuff at best, especially the Strategy, which like a lot of government reports reads like something put together for a school project by a kid who thinks they've got better things to do with their time. The associated statistics finish in 2018 and DoI recycling ones don't go beyond 2021.  There's no attempt or even any will to discover what is really going on or to integrate what the local authorities do.   The 'actions' prescribed are all about 'working with' other bits of government and commissioning more reports.

But judging from other 'strategies' that have been produced by this administration, the odds are that anything new will be only vaguer, if slightly better laid out and with some pretty photos.

[Sheldon]

8 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

whenever he reads out an answer he makes it sound like, not only has he never read it before (never mind read it out out) he has never encountered most of the words involved or any of the concepts. 

Hyperbowl, surely, Roger?

8 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

But judging from other 'strategies' that have been produced by this administration, the odds are that anything new will be only vaguer, if slightly better laid out and with some pretty photos.

Yet nobody ever gets sacked.

[Roger Mexico]

4 hours ago, Sheldon said:

Hyperbowl, surely, Roger?

Have you listened to that clip?  We all make mistakes, but it's not just that he makes so many, it's that he doesn't seem to care that he does or that he may be imparting wrong information or doesn't know things he should.  He seems to think that just being Tim Nice-but-Dim is enough and being a Minister requires no other skills.

The level of aimable incoherence is so high, he'll probably be US President by the end of the year.

[quilp]

"amiable incoherence"

Nail on head. 

[Moghrey Mie]

22 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

The answer given by Crookall to Moorhouse's question: If he will provide an update on the Island waste strategy, is revealing in the usual depressing way:

https://tynwald.scorchnetwork.com/?file=/business/listen/AgainFiles/O-202401-1382a.mp3

Of course, as I've pointed out before, Crookall is the perfect Minister, especially for DoI, because whenever he reads out an answer he makes it sound like, not only has he never read it before (never mind read it out out) he has never encountered most of the words involved or any of the concepts.  So it's possible that nothing he actually said is connected to reality in any way.

But, as discussed in that sound file, the current idea seems to be to come come up with a new waste strategy from scratch and put it out to consultation.  As was also pointed out the previous Strategy was only produced in 2018 and is available from the IOMG website (with some supporting documentation) and in the form presented to Tynwald here:

https://www.gov.im/media/1362121/2018-approved-waste-strategy.pdf

and was updated in a Report on Waste Strategy presented to Tynwald in July 2022:

https://www.tynwald.org.im/spfile?file=/business/opqp/sittings/20212026/2022-GD-0054.pdf

So the requirement to start all over again seems a bit strange unless to the purpose is to put off the evil day when they actually have to do something.  Yet again.

Admittedly both documents are pretty vague stuff at best, especially the Strategy, which like a lot of government reports reads like something put together for a school project by a kid who thinks they've got better things to do with their time. The associated statistics finish in 2018 and DoI recycling ones don't go beyond 2021.  There's no attempt or even any will to discover what is really going on or to integrate what the local authorities do.   The 'actions' prescribed are all about 'working with' other bits of government and commissioning more reports.

But judging from other 'strategies' that have been produced by this administration, the odds are that anything new will be only vaguer, if slightly better laid out and with some pretty photos.

They could lift a proper waste policy from Wales or Scotland rather than trying to invent the wheel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c511344v959o

Edited July 15 by Moghrey Mie

[Moghrey Mie]

New Waste Strategy was promised for 2024.

Now there's a consultation on the principles of a new Waste Strategy. 

https://consult.gov.im/infrastructure/isle-of-man-waste-strategy-principles/

Have your say. We might actually get all-island recycling.

Incidentally I don't think it is right that the elected commissioners of Malew delegate their clerk to complete the consultation on their behalf. Commissioners are elected to discuss things and the clerk is there to record their ideas surely.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/balthane-roundabout-covenant-with-attorney-generals-chambers-say-malew-commissioners/

[Omobono]

for something as important as the islands waste management strategy I am surprised the commissioners have not held a special meeting  to consider governments proposals , after all it is one of the big ticket items facing all local authorities  and one which has  a significant effect on the rates , definitely  not as issue for the clerk to be delegated  to respond to , 

there is a very good argument for an all island refuse and recycling policy  and given some of the  high tech vehicles and collection capacity some authorities have  it would make sense  have some amalgamation of resources   and therefore a big saving in ratepayers  money and environmental damage  

[Moghrey Mie]

32 minutes ago, Omobono said:

for something as important as the islands waste management strategy I am surprised the commissioners have not held a special meeting  to consider governments proposals , after all it is one of the big ticket items facing all local authorities  and one which has  a significant effect on the rates , definitely  not as issue for the clerk to be delegated  to respond to , 

there is a very good argument for an all island refuse and recycling policy  and given some of the  high tech vehicles and collection capacity some authorities have  it would make sense  have some amalgamation of resources   and therefore a big saving in ratepayers  money and environmental damage  

But they love their bin wagons. It means a local commissioner can be photographed taking delivery of the latest model.

[Roger Mexico]

49 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said:

New Waste Strategy was promised for 2024.

Now there's a consultation on the principles of a new Waste Strategy. 

https://consult.gov.im/infrastructure/isle-of-man-waste-strategy-principles/

Have your say. We might actually get all-island recycling.

Incidentally I don't think it is right that the elected commissioners of Malew delegate their clerk to complete the consultation on their behalf. Commissioners are elected to discuss things and the clerk is there to record their ideas surely.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/balthane-roundabout-covenant-with-attorney-generals-chambers-say-malew-commissioners/

I suspect the next scheduled meeting for Malew Commissioners[1] is after the consultation closes - it's only open from 28 August to 30 September.  They usually delegate the Clerk to fill these things in after consulting with the Commissioners anyway.

But looking at the Consultation, it isn't even a consultation on the strategy it's a consultation about what the strategy should be about.  So either it's time-wasting or they're going to do whatever they want and claim this meaningless procedure as justification.

 

[1]  Which seem to take place from 9am, which is a bit strange as most meet in the evenings.

[Moghrey Mie]

5 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

I suspect the next scheduled meeting for Malew Commissioners[1] is after the consultation closes - it's only open from 28 August to 30 September.  They usually delegate the Clerk to fill these things in after consulting with the Commissioners anyway.

But looking at the Consultation, it isn't even a consultation on the strategy it's a consultation about what the strategy should be about.  So either it's time-wasting or they're going to do whatever they want and claim this meaningless procedure as justification.

 

[1]  Which seem to take place from 9am, which is a bit strange as most meet in the evenings.

I hope they're starting with a blank sheet of paper and consulting on the basic principles.

Details will come later.

 

 

[Gladys]

Take away waste management from LAs and many will have lost their main function. 

[english zloty]

1 hour ago, Moghrey Mie said:

New Waste Strategy was promised for 2024.

Now there's a consultation on the principles of a new Waste Strategy. 

https://consult.gov.im/infrastructure/isle-of-man-waste-strategy-principles/

Have your say. We might actually get all-island recycling.

Incidentally I don't think it is right that the elected commissioners of Malew delegate their clerk to complete the consultation on their behalf. Commissioners are elected to discuss things and the clerk is there to record their ideas surely.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/balthane-roundabout-covenant-with-attorney-generals-chambers-say-malew-commissioners/

this is standard wording, which means the Board will complete their responses, the clerk will draft and process on behalf of his Board of Commissioners (i.e. all of them). the only other way would be for a Member of the Board to return the response as an individual (which presents more problems).

i think you missed the key point and why i logged in which is that Malew may well be the first Board to consider this consultation and they seem very pissed about the clumsy approach from the new Head (who is probably learning very quickly behind the scenes now how not to approach an local authority reform agenda). Malew are relative softies compared to some of the more vociferous boards, so i can only think this will now be dead in the water before it begins.

As commented, this should have perhaps been an all island invitation (or regional) to discuss matters as opposed to a "list of statements". 

Edited Wednesday at 04:45 PM by english zloty

[english zloty]

10 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Take away waste management from LAs and many will have lost their main function. 

waste and housing are the key battlegrounds, that's why ignorant CS never get anywhere with their reforms. they don't look through the lens of the LAs

[TheTeapot]

That consultation is a joke.

[Roger Mexico]

32 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Take away waste management from LAs and many will have lost their main function. 

There's a difference between waste collection (which LAs do) and waste management, which is split between them and various government departments.

This 'consultation' is both useless and insulting.