A fool and his money..... Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 hour ago, La Colombe said: Even more bonkers is that it happened at Ballakeighan, the first corner on the course. So these newcomers didn't even manage to successfully negotiate a single corner on closed roads. Amazing. Whereas you, from the safety of your own keyboard, negotiate many posts each day, mainly on a subject you clearly despise. I guess there's more than one way to waste a life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Helmut Fromage Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Whereas you, from the safety of your own keyboard, negotiate many posts each day, mainly on a subject you clearly despise. I guess there's more than one way to waste a life. Nope it’s a fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 43 minutes ago, Frances said: some 10 years ago when in UK, a market trader brought his fish van to the weekly local market - he was an ex TT-rider (you could tell ex as his arm was wrecked due to a crash) - he had also ridden in the S100 and he reckoned the S100 course was much more dangerous than the TT - too short runs and too tight corners was his description. You only need to drive around it to see that. Narrower roads, mega fast straights into tight corners, stone walls everywhere and a mass start. It is a cracking event though when everything goes well, which is why it's so well supported. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 1 minute ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said: Nope it’s a fact Indeed, QED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ram Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 50 minutes ago, Frances said: some 10 years ago when in UK, a market trader brought his fish van to the weekly local market - he was an ex TT-rider (you could tell ex as his arm was wrecked due to a crash) - he had also ridden in the S100 and he reckoned the S100 course was much more dangerous than the TT - too short runs and too tight corners was his description. It is more dangerous. It’s also an amazing spectacle watching a group of bikes inches from each other on the first lap pass iso close that you can feel it. Mega 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 2 hours ago, Roger Ram said: How much experience do you have riding motorbikes in a group? Eh? Strange question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 12 hours ago, Passing Time said: Nothing to do with somebody coming up from behind at a rate of knots on the slower group then... Basically the same cause as the nasty one last year. One person going too quick and ploughing into the others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 5 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Basically the same cause as the nasty one last year. One person going too quick and ploughing into the others. Where was the Travelling Marshall while this was going on? He was responsible for guiding them around the lap at a safe speed wasn't he? Something's gone badly wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 6 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Where was the Travelling Marshall while this was going on? He was responsible for guiding them around the lap at a safe speed wasn't he? Something's gone badly wrong here. Probably at the front? To be honest, I don't really know how they work it, but it would be pretty easy for someone to drop behind the pack and then thrash it to catch back up. I suppose you'd need a Marshall/pace setter at the front and at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 minute ago, The Phantom said: it would be pretty easy for someone to drop behind the pack and then thrash it to catch back up. So they are completely pointless then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 14 minutes ago, La Colombe said: Where was the Travelling Marshall while this was going on? He was responsible for guiding them around the lap at a safe speed wasn't he? Something's gone badly wrong here. 6 minutes ago, The Phantom said: Probably at the front? To be honest, I don't really know how they work it, but it would be pretty easy for someone to drop behind the pack and then thrash it to catch back up. I suppose you'd need a Marshall/pace setter at the front and at the back. The TM's used to ride at the front and back of the group. The Radio Operators around the course would call in the front and tail of the group as they passed. Race Control would relay that info to the TM's so they could control the group from spreading out. That was a number of years ago and things have probably changed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: The TM's used to ride at the front and back of the group. The Radio Operators around the course would call in the front and tail of the group as they passed. Race Control would relay that info to the TM's so they could control the group from spreading out. That was a number of years ago and things have probably changed. I’m sure that’s the same process now. They can’t control what goes on in the group other than the overall speed. If one rider brakes hard unnecessarily and the following rider is close, he may not be able to avoid the rider in front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) 16 hours ago, Frances said: some 10 years ago when in UK, a market trader brought his fish van to the weekly local market - he was an ex TT-rider (you could tell ex as his arm was wrecked due to a crash) - he had also ridden in the S100 and he reckoned the S100 course was much more dangerous than the TT - too short runs and too tight corners was his description. A cliche I know, but the throttle goes both ways. I would say a dangerous course is one where the road suddenly collapses without warning, or the road narrowed to say 1 foot wide and was actually a knife edge with a 1000 foot drop either side. Normal public roads are not generally considered dangerous, which I understand the Isle of Man race courses often use. Edited July 10 by Barlow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Has there ever been a crash on a speed controlled lap before the other day? I mean in all events and courses on the island, they're relatively new after all. It's not always TMs either, is it? There are some who have previously run out of talent while racing the mountain course who do the laps aren't there? Perhaps not the best people to run safety laps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Looks like racing is washed out tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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