Banker Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 9 hours ago, Maugholdmafia said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/trial-for-serving-police-officer-accused-of-failing-to-provide-breath-sample/ Another one bites the dust #HERBERT Keep the Herberts off the roads! He is denying the case and therefore innocent until proven guilty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 On 7/12/2024 at 1:19 AM, Manx Bean said: £32k is not unreasonable for a fully qualified Constable once they are through probation. The problem here is perception of their ability. It seems almost every time there is a half interesting “job” come up, half the relief turns out, and it turns into a pseudo episode of Inside The Force..except that is based in Middlesborough where the average constable there not only deals with more incidents in one shift than one here would do in a week, but there they are mainly absolutely hard nutters off their tits on meth. The true measure of police success is the absence of crime and disorder On 7/12/2024 at 7:43 AM, P.K. said: Retirement at 55. I seem to recall two new and shiny Plonks came out of training and after a few months of schlepping around the mean streets of Douglas they left the force. That tells me the training failed to prepare them for the reality of the role... Not unusual. The attrition rate across policing is a real cause for concern. IOM no different in that respect. The last 15 years has really changed the whole landscape both internally and the operating environment. How that might be unwound is testing the minds of many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 5 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: The true measure of police success is the absence of crime and disorder Not unusual. The attrition rate across policing is a real cause for concern. IOM no different in that respect. The last 15 years has really changed the whole landscape both internally and the operating environment. How that might be unwound is testing the minds of many social media videos have taken away the ability of the police to kick sense into people without consequence. it is no different to school teachers no longer allowed to use corporal punishment , the world is turning feral. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 15 minutes ago, WTF said: social media videos have taken away the ability of the police to kick sense into people without consequence. it is no different to school teachers no longer allowed to use corporal punishment , the world is turning feral. Surprised that Manchester Airport incident hasn't cropped up on here for discussion. If you're going to break a policewoman's nose and put two others on their arse, a head kicking is entirely justified. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebean Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 The whole Criminal Justice System has become a very different landscape. Whilst there were issues to be addressed in the past about how those coming to the attention of the system were treated, the balance has shifted too far. The whole system from first to last contact has become far too weighted towards what is good for the individual. The CJS should have its primary focus the protection of the public and the maintenance of the rule of law. This includes, as a necessary part of that, the protection and safety of those who are at the front line of the services involved. Far too many of those at the top of the system have sat back and let this balance shift and been complicit through their actions or inactions. On top of this is politics and legislation, which is either foolish, unnecessary or not supported by those subjected to it, furthering undermining respect for law. The CJS is broken and it’s going to be very difficult to repair. Weak leadership is making the problem even worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 12 hours ago, Maugholdmafia said: https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/trial-for-serving-police-officer-accused-of-failing-to-provide-breath-sample/ Another one bites the dust #HERBERT Keep the Herberts off the roads! Not necessarily. I know of two convicted drink drivers who were kept on as coppers, one after crashing while drunk. Isn't this the whopper who was making the Facebook videos over TT fortnight encouraging us to be safe on the roads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 6 hours ago, Derek Flint said: The true measure of police success is the absence of crime and disorder Reminds me of the old one about the government's elephant eradication department. "But there aren't any elephants here." "Exactly. You can see what a splendid job we do." 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 20 minutes ago, woolley said: Reminds me of the old one about the government's elephant eradication department. "But there aren't any elephants here." "Exactly. You can see what a splendid job we do." I know a guy who recently got laid off from his job as 'Head of Automation'. It seems his success worked himself out of a job! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 "I didn't know you had dandruff..!" etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, woolley said: Reminds me of the old one about the government's elephant eradication department. "But there aren't any elephants here." "Exactly. You can see what a splendid job we do." The true measure of society's success, is the absence of crime and disorder. The true measure of the police's success is the prevention and detection of crime. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 45 minutes ago, Gladys said: The true measure of society's success, is the absence of crime and disorder. Are you sure? Or is that the measure of an oppressive totalitarian regime, where difference, independence of view, dissent are suppressed. And strange offences and mental health diagnoses are dreamt up to oppress and suppress. Sounds very 1984ish, and worrying. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoopy2110 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 9 hours ago, Banker said: He is denying the case and therefore innocent until proven guilty! Yeh, which is bollocks of course. If you had nothing to hide he'd have had no issues doing the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 5 minutes ago, swoopy2110 said: Yeh, which is bollocks of course. If you had nothing to hide he'd have had no issues doing the test. It’s never as simple as that. There may be all sorts of defences. He did blow and the machine wasn’t working or calibrated correctly and didn’t register. There were legitimate medical reasons not to blow and he wasn’t offered a blood test The correct procedure wasn’t used, and for instance, he wasn’t warned of the consequences. Ive successfully raised all three. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyWolf Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Oh John, you’re sounding like a lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 45 minutes ago, John Wright said: Are you sure? Or is that the measure of an oppressive totalitarian regime, where difference, independence of view, dissent are suppressed. And strange offences and mental health diagnoses are dreamt up to oppress and suppress. Sounds very 1984ish, and worrying. I've wondered about this tradeoff over the years. It's been said that some of the most totalitarian countries have the safest streets because nobody dares to step out of line. In essence, you're OK so long as you keep your head down and go about your business, but then crime statistics from such places would be given a positive glow by the regime. In the West nowadays, we use mental health diagnoses to excuse rather than oppress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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