WTF Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 16 minutes ago, John Wright said: They’d all be charged as fail to provide, and those three are all possible defences so the police fuck up and somebody else gets charged ?? sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maugholdmafia Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 9 hours ago, thommo2010 said: So what harm was caused to the public? We do not need police with guns walking down stand street. Completely unnecessary and authoritarian. When the public see that they become alarmed and think an incident is occuring, causing panic. Bring back PC Griffiths and Paddy, that is the type of community officer the public wants to see in the highstreet not robocops. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Maugholdmafia said: We do not need police with guns walking down stand street. Completely unnecessary and authoritarian. When the public see that they become alarmed and think an incident is occuring, causing panic. Bring back PC Griffiths and Paddy, that is the type of community officer the public wants to see in the highstreet not robocops. I've yet to see armed police routinely walking down strand street. Maybe you need to chill out a bit, I'm a member of the public and if I see an armed officer I don't immediately panic thinking everyone is going to die. I'm sure if there's someone down strand street waving a gun or a knife about you'll be happy to see unarmed bobbies going and dealing with it but I'm sure the unarmed bobbies would prefer something to defend themselves with Edited August 15 by thommo2010 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 I can see some logic in turning up to some situations (with a low probability of having to use weapons) as a training opportunity...and that there is an argument that without the regular deployment of armed cops, there would be more chance of an overreaction when a situation might look very serious but turn out not to be. In a nutshell, poor training could cost a life unnecessarily. Of course, there is an opposing argument that more frequent deployments lead to a higher probability of an accidental shooting. Whatever, I think the police here still need to justify the increased number of armed responses to both politicians and to reassure the public. They exist to serve the public. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 14 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: Of course, there is an opposing argument that more frequent deployments lead to a higher probability of an accidental shooting. Whatever, I think the police here still need to justify the increased number of armed responses to both politicians and to reassure the public. They exist to serve the public. This is I think very true. I don't think the training argument holds at all, you shouldn't train on real life, not just because of the risks but also because it doesn't work as well as training. You can't monitor actions to the same extent or stop and start again for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) real life and training are rarely the same , real life has a part to play in training Edited August 15 by WTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cissolt Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 2 hours ago, Roger Mexico said: This is I think very true. I don't think the training argument holds at all, you shouldn't train on real life, not just because of the risks but also because it doesn't work as well as training. You can't monitor actions to the same extent or stop and start again for example. Stinger training on public roads during rush hour? https://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/video-shows-dramatic-police-chase-through-isle-of-mans-streets-as-stingers-deployed-662082 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 5 hours ago, John Wright said: That would be charged as refusal You stated a defence being 'legitimate reasons not to blow'. What are they? I can't think of any. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 11 minutes ago, wrighty said: You stated a defence being 'legitimate reasons not to blow'. What are they? I can't think of any. I can think of a few. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piebaps Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Wrong colour knickers? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 31 minutes ago, Gladys said: I can think of a few. bad girl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 18 minutes ago, piebaps said: Wrong colour knickers? I can assure you the colour of knickers would have no bearing whatsoever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 this could be the problem . ( i can't link it ) search youtube for 'what we need vs what we get' a 40 second video that shows a copper in a rainbow garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Flint Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 4 hours ago, Maugholdmafia said: We do not need police with guns walking down stand street. Completely unnecessary and authoritarian. When the public see that they become alarmed and think an incident is occuring, causing panic. Bring back PC Griffiths and Paddy, that is the type of community officer the public wants to see in the highstreet not robocops. 4 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said: Whatever, I think the police here still need to justify the increased number of armed responses to both politicians and to reassure the public. They exist to serve the public. No they don't. It's a command decision taken by a nationally qualified senior officer, who then has to have that ratified by an even more qualified more senior officer. If you can be bothered, you can read the following link which explains around 80% of what the deployment of armed officers entails. https://www.college.police.uk/app/armed-policing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 37 minutes ago, Derek Flint said: No they don't. It's a command decision taken by a nationally qualified senior officer, who then has to have that ratified by an even more qualified more senior officer. If you can be bothered, you can read the following link which explains around 80% of what the deployment of armed officers entails. https://www.college.police.uk/app/armed-policing Yes...but why the increase suddenly? The island has become that more dangerous in a year? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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