woolley Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Laxey said: Yes but as a Taxpayer it is pleasing to see that IOM Post are being proactive to win some business back from the Private sector who, at the end of the day, have been gazumping IOM Post for years….what is ok for the private sector to do is ok for the public sector to do. The private sector can’t have it all their own way….its called competition…. And IOM Post are still needed for letters, so to subsidise letters (which run at a loss I guess) they need a decent level of parcel work. How has the private sector been gazumping IOM Post? Fair competition is fine, but not if they are using your taxes to drive you to the wall by taking your work away after quoting unremunerative prices as happened to the taxis and coach operators. That's not all right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Peters Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, woolley said: How has the private sector been gazumping IOM Post? Fair competition is fine, but not if they are using your taxes to drive you to the wall by taking your work away after quoting unremunerative prices as happened to the taxis and coach operators. That's not all right. IOMPO is required to make a profit and is not reliant on taxpayer funding (although that could change to protect essential services were it to make a loss). It has to compete and is doing so, and from most of the comments here it seems that people are getting a better service. Other firms have taken work off the Post Office with alacrity and without a by your leave in recent years - it’s in a competitive industry and needs to make profits where it can to subsidise loss-making operations like letters and retail. Like most businesses these days it runs lean which can cause temporary problems. I’m aware of complaints about local mail and that is being addressed. Edited August 9 by Stu Peters …and another thing… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Stu Peters said: I’m aware of complaints about local mail and that is being addressed. Boom-tish! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightening McQueen Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 FWIT I believe if the post office is visiting most addresses on the island anyway, it makes sense to bid for more business to secure the future of the service, as the (tax paying) public would be the first to shout if it cut back deliveries and made employees redundant. It’s far better for it to make a profit or even just break even than require a bigger subsidy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizo Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 The post office doesn’t use taxpayer funds, in fact it’s keeping the government pension pot topped up each year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 3 hours ago, Gizo said: The post office doesn’t use taxpayer funds, in fact it’s keeping the government pension pot topped up each year. Which is precisely where the pressures are coming from, Treasury. Strange that Stu says that problems are being "addressed"; after telling Tynwald ten days ago that he hadn't heard of any problems with mail delivery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 2 hours ago, Non-Believer said: Which is precisely where the pressures are coming from, Treasury. Strange that Stu says that problems are being "addressed"; after telling Tynwald ten days ago that he hadn't heard of any problems with mail delivery... Well obviously some people have now complained instead of posting comments on facebook so he’s addressing it , presumably direct to those complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laxey Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 (edited) On 8/9/2024 at 9:54 AM, A fool and his money..... said: They're a public service, that's why they are public sector. The fact is that delivering Amazon parcels is not a public service - it could and was done perfectly well by the private sector, there's no need for it to be a public service. Delivering letters on the other hand would probably not get done if left to the private sector, or if I would, it would be a lot less frequent and cost a fortune. This is why the post office is a public service. Now, whether delivering letters is worthy of a public service in this day and age is another argument. It's probably not - but our politicians are nothing if not spineless, so are too scared to make that decision and so try to turn it into a business instead. I would question whether it was being done perfectly well….Evri/Hermes have regularly had my parcels at the IOM depot for days on end before deciding to deliver….once a week went by. Are you suggesting that IOM Post Office should just sit back and let MIC take everything….leaving them with just letters? That doesn’t seem right either. There were plenty of comments on here when Parcelforce went to MIC….not complimentary either. On the basis MIC “won” the Parcelforce contract…..why shouldn’t IOM Post seek other contracts? Edited August 10 by Laxey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Why can'y Isle of Man Posty Office @Stu Peters use commeracial flights to transfer post to UK, now that the mail plane has been removed to line the pockets of Royal Mail shareholders, exec salaries and bonus' etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/9/2024 at 11:28 AM, woolley said: How has the private sector been gazumping IOM Post? The private sector has repeatedly undercut IOMPO through the private sector’s use of “gig economy” employment rather than actual employment. 14 minutes ago, Barlow said: Why can'y Isle of Man Posty Office use commeracial flights to transfer post to UK, now that the mail plane has been removed to line the pockets of Royal Mail shareholders My understanding, based on public comments from the Channel Islands, is that Royal Mail were unwilling to facilitate serving the flights even if the Crown Dependencies paid more to keep them. So if Royal Mail won’t bring Mail to and from the planes in the UK then we can’t use them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 On 8/10/2024 at 4:36 PM, Laxey said: Are you suggesting that IOM Post Office should just sit back and let MIC take everything….leaving them with just letters? That doesn’t seem right either. There were plenty of comments on here when Parcelforce went to MIC….not complimentary either. It’s the age old argument on here. Government agencies shouldn’t act in a commercial manner to increase their revenue. But government agencies which don’t do commercial work and just do the loss-making stuff are examples of government inefficiency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 5 minutes ago, Ringy Rose said: My understanding, based on public comments from the Channel Islands, is that Royal Mail were unwilling to facilitate serving the flights even if the Crown Dependencies paid more to keep them. So if Royal Mail won’t bring Mail to and from the planes in the UK then we can’t use them. I kind of see that. Presumably the vehicle that leaves the boat drives to nearest Royal Mail depot. The service sending off-Island has dropped so dramatically, there must be a solution better than what we have settled for. If only the Isle of Man had better negotiators rather than just accepting whatver Royal Mail wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringy Rose Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Barlow said: If only the Isle of Man had better negotiators rather than just accepting whatver Royal Mail wants. The other Crown Dependencies have had the same issue, it’s not an IOM exclusive thing. And at least we have a reliable ferry service, the Channel Islands are having all sorts of issues with Condor Ferries. It’s also not a Crown Dependencies thing- Royal Mail have halved the number of domestic UK flights they have, cutting 18 flights and with much more mail going by road. Most of the flights from East Midlands have been scrapped. Edited August 15 by Ringy Rose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 OK, thanks Ringy. So back on topic. Amazon are hitting the news recently regarding drone deliveries. I wonder then, will Isle of Man Post Office get together with Royal Mail and look into a drone delivery to UK to replace the Mail Plane. Yes I know it would need a hooer of a big drone, but so be it, It's woth looking into (there are heavy lift drones that could do this trip easily). Unfortunately even a back of fag packet calaculation can't be done because Royal Mail and especially Isle of Man Post Office ( @Stu Peters ) keep bleating "commercial confidentiality" and information on cost of erstwhile Mail Plane to Birmingham etc. is impossible to find. With the Mail Plane leaving each evening except weekends, admittedly) and arriving at UK hub a few hours later, the Isle of Man to UK post has had to be one of the most efficient in the UK, if not the world for this past decade or two and probably more. Using 'the boat' to take our mail is a huge retrograde step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 I did not find any more recent data on this project (the instant bolognese sauce shows what can go wrong): https://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2022/04/01/jersey-chosen-to-test-drone-delivery-service/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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