alpha-acid Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 20 minutes ago, Bill1977 said: Maybe, just maybe those two subjects require a certain type of wiring to understand it to the level required to teach it to A level standard. Let’s face it, beyond general arithmetic and one or two other parts of the syllabus, nobody uses most of the things you learn in a Maths classroom in later life. The same goes for Science. Science can explain the world, but nobody looks at boiling water and says the molecules are moving faster and when their bonds break they will turn from liquid to gas! I use science every day in my job as a brewer, I don't think you are really knowledgeable about jobs, do you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill1977 Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 37 minutes ago, alpha-acid said: I use science every day in my job as a brewer, I don't think you are really knowledgeable about jobs, do you ? And obviously being a brewer is a job that a high percentage of the population have as an occupation…. Everyone needs some basic knowledge across the board, but some kids just struggle with science’s obscure & overly complicated concepts and unnecessarily long words. People are wired differently. I’d let kids specialise earlier in school. Why make an artist do 3 lessons of PE a week, do sports inclined students have to do 3 lessons of art? If PE was about exercise for well being it would be ok, but it’s far too elitist. Would an athlete who can’t draw like if they were shouted at for not drawing quick enough whilst being made to feel pain. Then they would have to be ranked at the end of each lesson in front of everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 1 hour ago, Bill1977 said: The same goes for Science. Science can explain the world, but nobody looks at boiling water and says the molecules are moving faster and when their bonds break they will turn from liquid to gas! I work with buildings. An understanding of such matters is essential in relation to damp etc, especially when and at one point, said gas turn back to liquid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 12 hours ago, alpha-acid said: I use science every day in my job as a brewer, I don't think you are really knowledgeable about jobs, do you ? using science and understanding science aren't the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 whats missing are the practical skills woodwork, metalwork , mechanics , school is all about preparing young people for at least 50 years of work and life long learning ,some will excel as academics , and join the professions but those good with their hands will follow the artisan route electricians , plumbers craftsmen joiners motor engineers mechanics ,while the rest will fill the mundane workforce job opportunities , question is are we preparing our young people for what the future may hold or is the present education system not really fit for purpose anymore and needs to be reviewed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 Everyone these days is entitled to go to University ( 'uni' ) and have a degree, regardless of academic achievement or ability. I don't think that's good for society as a whole, but it's not society that counts, it's the individual. Otherwise, we are just slaves. Which funnily enough is what we become after gaining a degree and end up working in a mundane 9-5 job for 40+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 (edited) Education is not about practical skills. That's why it's called education - not vocation. Practical skills come later. It's about basic knowledge, building confidence, being able to read, write, count, reason, think and function usefully in the adult world. It's about understanding and awareness of that world. Schools should try to produce decent and responsible future citizens, capable of playing a useful role. There's too much emphasis on empowerment rather than education in today's schools. Rights rather than responsibilities; the individual rather than the community and society. Edited July 28 by Shake me up Judy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 13 hours ago, Bill1977 said: Let’s face it, beyond general arithmetic and one or two other parts of the syllabus, nobody uses most of the things you learn in a Maths classroom in later life. The same goes for Science. Bollocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTF Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 1 hour ago, Shake me up Judy said: Education is not about practical skills. That's why it's called education - not vocation. Practical skills come later. It's about basic knowledge, building confidence, being able to read, write, count, reason, think and function usefully in the adult world. It's about understanding and awareness of that world. Schools should try to produce decent and responsible future citizens, capable of playing a useful role. There's too much emphasis on empowerment rather than education in today's schools. Rights rather than responsibilities; the individual rather than the community and society. its all about producing tax paying citizens which is also part of the reason non hetrosexual relationships are/were criminalised/disliked/discouraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 2 hours ago, WTF said: using science and understanding science aren't the same thing. ..but an understanding of science lets you use science in the correct way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 8 minutes ago, WTF said: its all about producing tax paying citizens which is also part of the reason non hetrosexual relationships are/were criminalised/disliked/discouraged. So a Government conspiracy then eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 16 minutes ago, WTF said: its all about producing tax paying citizens which is also part of the reason non hetrosexual relationships are/were criminalised/disliked/discouraged. Those things were to produce church going citizens, then the state carried it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 27 minutes ago, Gladys said: Those things were to produce church going citizens, then the state carried it on. Yes, schools were around long before income tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree Man 88 Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 If a young person leaves school knowing that being honest, hard working, reliable and a team player are things that will get them on in life then that's a success. Unfortunately many leave either being left with either to big a sense of self worth or too little. The system doesn't fit all and we have to play to the tune of the English exam boards who are elitist in line with the philosophies of the country they represent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 What lesson does banning mobile phones from schools teach to the children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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