hoopsaa Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Hmmmm, in Stoke police liason officer asking muslims to leave their weapons in the mosque. Firm policing, that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 3 minutes ago, hoopsaa said: Hmmmm, in Stoke police liason officer asking muslims to leave their weapons in the mosque. Firm policing, that. If you insist on making posts like that I am going to ask you for the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 3 minutes ago, hoopsaa said: Hmmmm, in Stoke police liason officer asking muslims to leave their weapons in the mosque. Firm policing, that. And that is how these things escalate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Far right thugs terrorising the local community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Non-Believer Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 1 hour ago, manxman1980 said: The UK is not an Islamic State by any stretch of the imagination and only a tiny percentage of people left the UK to support ISIS. Many of those that did were extremists or people who had become radicalised. The UK is not an Islamic State and that's just the point. Britons do not wish it to be but see the "swamping of their native culture" as "just the beginning", hence the source of the unrest. Over 900 left Britain to join ISIS alone, (plus the many other thousands from Europe), so there is/was no shortage of sympathy. Then they expected to be able to return, in some cases having engaged in atrocities and railed against the West. Some are still out there engaging in illegal activities and pledging themselves to the movement, it would appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 The scum who are rioting at the minute will get bored when the weather turns then complain that the government don't listen and we will go round in circles until the next incident causes a kick off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 51 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: If you insist on making posts like that I am going to ask you for the source. There you go https://x.com/Lewis_Brackpool/status/1819764968754942426?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1819764968754942426|twgr^e954f40fe38988ed205af7ea2645942905823e20|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.followfollow.com%2Fforum%2Fthreads%2Fuk-politics-economics-discussion-thread-southport-case-is-now-live-in-terms-of-contempt-of-court-please-desist-from-further-comment.221421%2Fpage-553 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 25 minutes ago, Non-Believer said: The UK is not an Islamic State and that's just the point. Britons do not wish it to be but see the "swamping of their native culture" as "just the beginning", hence the source of the unrest. Over 900 left Britain to join ISIS alone, (plus the many other thousands from Europe), so there is/was no shortage of sympathy. Then they expected to be able to return, in some cases having engaged in atrocities and railed against the West. Some are still out there engaging in illegal activities and pledging themselves to the movement, it would appear. Some dates on those quotes would be helpful. If I recall, Shamima Begum wanted to return having found she had made the worst decision of her life. I, for one, am glad she was not allowed back. No one has denied there aren't extremists, on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 13 minutes ago, Gladys said: Some dates on those quotes would be helpful. If I recall, Shamima Begum wanted to return having found she had made the worst decision of her life. I, for one, am glad she was not allowed back. No one has denied there aren't extremists, on both sides. The Begum case is a difficult one. It's pretty clear from interviews that she hasn't the luxury of two braincells to rub together, and she was also groomed from a young age. Not sure I can agree with us effectively removing a perons's citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: The Begum case is a difficult one. It's pretty clear from interviews that she hasn't the luxury of two braincells to rub together, and she was also groomed from a young age. Not sure I can agree with us effectively removing a perons's citizenship. I don't get the grooming argument at the age of 12 I knew that going abroad and fighting for a terrorist organisation was a bit of a no no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsaa Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 5 minutes ago, HeliX said: The Begum case is a difficult one. It's pretty clear from interviews that she hasn't the luxury of two braincells to rub together, and she was also groomed from a young age. Not sure I can agree with us effectively removing a perons's citizenship. I don't see why another struggling country should have to deal with a problem, in her, that was made in britain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 5 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: I don't get the grooming argument at the age of 12 I knew that going abroad and fighting for a terrorist organisation was a bit of a no no At the age of 12 you weren't groomed by an adult man over a period of months, I presume. Also as noted, Begum is clearly not intellectually gifted - I wasn't going to make the same assumption about you but you are trying to place yourself as her equal at 12 in the above post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 8 minutes ago, HeliX said: At the age of 12 you weren't groomed by an adult man over a period of months, I presume. Also as noted, Begum is clearly not intellectually gifted - I wasn't going to make the same assumption about you but you are trying to place yourself as her equal at 12 in the above post... You're right I wasn't groomed but again I knew the difference between right and wrong. Grooming is a really poor excuse. Maybe if she said I take responsibility for my actions I was wrong I might have a bit of sympathy for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 20 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: I don't get the grooming argument at the age of 12 I knew that going abroad and fighting for a terrorist organisation was a bit of a no no You dont think 12 year old can be groomed officer? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 5 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: You're right I wasn't groomed but again I knew the difference between right and wrong. Grooming is a really poor excuse. Maybe if she said I take responsibility for my actions I was wrong I might have a bit of sympathy for her. It's not like the guy opened with "let's do terrorism together" is it. He spent months convincing her that he cared about her and wanted to give her a life with him, and she - being a child and not particularly bright - believed it. She should clearly face justice, but removing someone's citizenship is too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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