HeliX Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 Just now, woolley said: The athletes or the politicians? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 The right wing mob is a bit 1980s football hooligany. According to some that was solved by ecstasy and raves. So maybe they all just need a sweaty hug. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolley Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 19 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said: The right wing mob is a bit 1980s football hooligany. According to some that was solved by ecstasy and raves. So maybe they all just need a sweaty hug. You're not David Cameron, are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 49 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: It does impact on its credibility. Would you retweet a post from say Gary Glitter on any particular subject? Oh come on come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 7/31/2024 at 11:09 PM, hoopsaa said: The condescending left are out tonight. People have legitimate concerns about the levels of migration, about crime and about two tier policing, about the constant attacks on their history and culture, about economic injustice and a failing educational system. Social media enables people to see where they are being lied to and mislead, while also enabling bad faith actors to mislead and lie. The people attacking the police yesterday, who, for all their faults, stopped the man with the blade heading towards the vigil and put themselves at risk, were wankers. But....ignore, condescend, ignore...rinse and repeat. What did you - they - think would happen eventually? I have legitimate concerns about reading levels in England, about the work ethic and the parenting, about the entitlement that comes from ignorance about history, the lazy disinterest in any culture, including the culture they had once, the ignorance of economic realities, the lack of community spirit and neglect of children. Social media encourages them to think it's not because they're intoxicated every night but that it's someone else's fault. It used to be the EUs fault, now it's their browner neighbours fault. The scum attacking the police have made a mess of life and want to blame the government, the immigrants, the schools & police. The toffs & spivs that sold them brexit and made them poorer and then radicalised them are the villains here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sausages Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Everybody has legitimate concerns about stuff. They get addressed with elections. There was one pretty recently which gave them the opportunity to expresss their concerns. The “condescending left” (note how these insults against the left don’t result in riots or claims they’re being discriminated against with nasty words) keep getting reminded that they need to “get over” brexit. They get labelled “remoaners” because they do what? Moan and ask for another election. Because they have legitimate concerns. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopsaa Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 6 hours ago, Freggyragh said: I have legitimate concerns about reading levels in England, about the work ethic and the parenting, about the entitlement that comes from ignorance about history, the lazy disinterest in any culture, including the culture they had once, the ignorance of economic realities, the lack of community spirit and neglect of children. Social media encourages them to think it's not because they're intoxicated every night but that it's someone else's fault. It used to be the EUs fault, now it's their browner neighbours fault. The scum attacking the police have made a mess of life and want to blame the government, the immigrants, the schools & police. The toffs & spivs that sold them brexit and made them poorer and then radicalised them are the villains here. I find it incredible just how many people who, quite rightly, would decry any hint of racism feel free to condescend and generalise about the white working class. I wouldn't mythologise any demographic, but the constant drip, drip, drip of scorn directed that way is wearing and might actually be a contributing factor to the outpouring of anger we are sadly witnessing at the moment . Don't like us? Fix it, build it, clean it, empty it yourselves then. And if Starmer had spoken the words Donna Jones, chair of the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners, put out, it may have dampened things down a bit. Anyway, enjoy your echo chamber. Edited August 4 by hoopsaa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxman1980 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 17 minutes ago, hoopsaa said: I find it incredible just how many people who, quite rightly, would decry any hint of racism feel free to condescend and generalise about the white working class. I wouldn't mythologise any demographic, but the constant drip, drip, drip of scorn directed that way is wearing and might actually be a contributing factor to the outpouring of anger we are sadly witnessing at the moment . Don't like us? Fix it, build it, clean it, empty it yourselves then. And if Starmer had spoken the words Donna Jones, chair of the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners, put out, it may have dampened things down a bit. Anyway, enjoy your echo chamber. The curious thing about the UK class system is how many people view themselves as working class but in reality they are middle class. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 8 minutes ago, manxman1980 said: The curious thing about the UK class system is how many people view themselves as working class but in reality they are middle class. Like who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 14 minutes ago, P.K. said: Like who? Middle class people? Like Paul Stephenson Edited August 4 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 7 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Middle class people? Like Paul Stephenson Who is Paul Stephenson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, P.K. said: Who is Paul Stephenson? He’s a friend of a friend of mine. I think he lives in Laxey. ETA He moved to Glossop recently Edited August 4 by The Voice of Reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Mr. Sausages said: Everybody has legitimate concerns about stuff. They get addressed with elections. There was one pretty recently which gave them the opportunity to expresss their concerns. The “condescending left” (note how these insults against the left don’t result in riots or claims they’re being discriminated against with nasty words) keep getting reminded that they need to “get over” brexit. They get labelled “remoaners” because they do what? Moan and ask for another election. Because they have legitimate concerns. OK let’s say these people with “ legitimate concerns” get their way and there is another Brexit vote. And let’s say those who wish to remain in the EU win the day. Then let’s assume for the sake of simplicity the, UK rejoins the EU in some form by some mechanism. You now have those who wished to leave at the time of the new referendum with “ legitimate concerns” So they may not “get over it” , moan and ask for yet another referendum. Where would it all end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freggyragh Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 hour ago, hoopsaa said: I find it incredible just how many people who, quite rightly, would decry any hint of racism feel free to condescend and generalise about the white working class. I wouldn't mythologise any demographic, but the constant drip, drip, drip of scorn directed that way is wearing and might actually be a contributing factor to the outpouring of anger we are sadly witnessing at the moment . Don't like us? Fix it, build it, clean it, empty it yourselves then. And if Starmer had spoken the words Donna Jones, chair of the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners, put out, it may have dampened things down a bit. Anyway, enjoy your echo chamber. Just to be clear, my post in no way generalises the white working class. It is a comment on the race rioters, and their fellow travellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 21 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: OK let’s say these people with “ legitimate concerns” get their way and there is another Brexit vote. And let’s say those who wish to remain in the EU win the day. Then let’s assume for the sake of simplicity the, UK rejoins the EU in some form by some mechanism. You now have those who wished to leave at the time of the new referendum with “ legitimate concerns” So they may not “get over it” , moan and ask for yet another referendum. Where would it all end? Well, according to your line of thought, no more elections ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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