Southport Stabbings

[HeliX]

 

 

[Non-Believer]

It's strange. Throughout human history, "civilisations" have strived, often with considerable loss of life, to create their own spaces called, "countries".

"Countries" allow people of similar background, creed, religious beliefs and hopefully political views to live alongside each other, although different countries may have differences. That is the purpose of the geographical divides.

Now however, and often driven by economics, we are trying to mix up those backgrounds, creeds, religious beliefs and politics on the same bits of turf. Some of those religious beliefs also espouse dominance over others and non-tolerance of same.

Is it any wonder that we have societal conflict?

[HeliX]

5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

That is the purpose of the geographical divides.

Is it though? Is it not those in power striving for ownership over a land, its resources and its peoples? I think the average citizen has much less attachment to any given country than your post implies.

[RecklessAbandon]

9 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

It's strange. Throughout human history, "civilisations" have strived, often with considerable loss of life, to create their own spaces called, "countries".

"Countries" allow people of similar background, creed, religious beliefs and hopefully political views to live alongside each other, although different countries may have differences. That is the purpose of the geographical divides.

Now however, and often driven by economics, we are trying to mix up those backgrounds, creeds, religious beliefs and politics on the same bits of turf. Some of those religious beliefs also espouse dominance over others and non-tolerance of same.

Is it any wonder that we have societal conflict?

Did you just try to "mansplain" how Kings/Emperors/Popes/etc waged bloody wars and conquests to control as much land as possible as some noble human growth projects?

[John Wright]

27 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

It's strange. Throughout human history, "civilisations" have strived, often with considerable loss of life, to create their own spaces called, "countries".

"Countries" allow people of similar background, creed, religious beliefs and hopefully political views to live alongside each other, although different countries may have differences. That is the purpose of the geographical divides.

Now however, and often driven by economics, we are trying to mix up those backgrounds, creeds, religious beliefs and politics on the same bits of turf. Some of those religious beliefs also espouse dominance over others and non-tolerance of same.

Is it any wonder that we have societal conflict?

Thats a very President Wilson, WW1, self determination, League of Nations view point.

History is mainly about rulers, kings, princes, warlords, moving people around, imposing allegiance, even with little or no linguistic, religious, ethnic or other connection. Or, religion, and political thought separating otherwise consanguineous peoples.

Countries, nation states, are a very late C19/early C20 concept - even in Europe. Apart from a few early outliers. And homogenisation of language and culture across even France, UK or Spain only started with compulsory education.

[Mr. Sausages]

17 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

 

Now however, and often driven by economics, we are trying to mix up those backgrounds, creeds, religious beliefs and politics on the same bits of turf. Some of those religious beliefs also espouse dominance over others and non-tolerance of same.

 

Your mind will be blown when you find out what the British empire did.

[Mr. Sausages]

 

[Non-Believer]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said:

Your mind will be blown when you find out what the British empire did.

I know exactly what the British Empire did and I don't condone it, it's symptomstic of and part of what I'm saying. And it's all driven by economics.

[Non-Believer]

20 minutes ago, RecklessAbandon said:

Did you just try to "mansplain" how Kings/Emperors/Popes/etc waged bloody wars and conquests to control as much land as possible as some noble human growth projects?

Yes. Political power, religion and economics. All being interfered with and by each other, as it has been for centuries. And all with the same, ongoing results.

[RecklessAbandon]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said:

Your mind will be blown when you find out what the British empire did.

Or Ghengis/Kublai Kahn.

[HeliX]

13 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

 

 

 

[Non-Believer]

28 minutes ago, HeliX said:

I think the average citizen has much less attachment to any given country than your post implies.

If that's true, explain the current right-wing UK backlash? People are and should be proud of their countries, and their national history and culture. But many now feel threatened by its perceived loss, dilution and even swamping by what they perceive as alien culture and respond accordingly. The problem is not going to go away, we can moderate and ameliorate but the underlying causes are always going to be there.

[HeliX]

Just now, Non-Believer said:

If that's true, explain the current right-wing UK backlash? People are and should be proud of their countries, and their national history and culture. But many now feel threatened by its perceived loss, dilution and even swamping by what they perceive as alien culture and respond accordingly. The problem is not going to go away, we can moderate and ameliorate but the underlying causes are always going to be there.

Angry, easily-misled cretins are mercifully not "the average citizen".

[TheTeapot]

7 minutes ago, HeliX said:

 

ITS NOT FUNNY

[Non-Believer]

Just now, HeliX said:

Angry, easily-misled cretins are mercifully not "the average citizen".

Ok, the problem doesn't exist then and there's racial and religious harmony throughout the world. No problem.