Twitch Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 27 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said: My impression is, that there is a conspiracy of silence between the government and the police...designed as far as is possible to maintain the illusion that the island is relatively crime free. A low crime rate is after all one of the Island's so called USPs. For example, there is a fight, someone is arrested for 'attempted murder', the police investigate and it ends up in court as assault. If the story comes out earlier, the news here, starved of content, will have 'attempted murder' as the headline. So if you keep things quiet until things go to court, and then report only the final charge, then of course life here looks comparatively crime free. Maybe the police should publish a summary of the charge sheets and callouts issued over a weekend. No names, no details of location etc - just to indicate the volume and types of crime we have here, which would no doubt shock a few people I reckon. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarndyce Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, Gladys said: Indeed, it is pure speculation, something we are warned against. However, it is also quite a good way of the police getting info. Perhaps they are just waiting for the right unguarded comment to give the important lead? Good grief! I’ll retire to bedlam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Poppins Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 16 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said: Is the general consensus of face book that a disturbance was reported, but perpetrators had fucked off before before the gendarmerie arrived. If so what the hell was the road closed for, a non event like two blokes squaring up slapping each other a few times then off home. Why bother investigating this kind of altercation, nobody injured no aggrieved party just to charge them and end up with a fine and record. Complete waste of time and resources. That's not what happened though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Buggane Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Just now, Hairy Poppins said: That's not what happened though. Why, were you there. My speculation means nothing, your statement means you must be a witness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 15 minutes ago, Jarndyce said: Good grief! I’ll retire to bedlam! Have I over-thought it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-in-man Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 15 hours ago, display name said: Agreed. Sober willy waving is probably much easier. ..and sooo much safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Twitch said: Maybe the police should publish a summary of the charge sheets and callouts issued over a weekend. No names, no details of location etc - just to indicate the volume and types of crime we have here, which would no doubt shock a few people I reckon. An FOI covering the last 5 years would make an interesting analysis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 9 hours ago, Barlow said: Probably the most obtuse, condescending and patronising post I have read from a professional. What was patronising about it The press release said - At around 4am this morning, Saturday 10th August 2024, outside Elegance Taxis on Market Street, Douglas, an altercation has occurred between a number of males. we would like to apologise for any inconvenience the closure of Market Street may of caused today, this is not a decision that is taken lightly however it is imperative that we secure all available evidence at the location to establish the facts of the matter which remain under investigation at this time. I am genuinely wondering what more information people want to know as it all appears to be there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Gladys said: Not so sure it is a conspiracy of silence, but like the appeals not to speculate, the slow drip of information and then the appeals for information about an unspecified event just make you wonder if the importance of good communication is understood or even valued. The fact that we are a small community may have some bearing, but all communities are small, just that there are many more small communities making up the larger public elsewhere. The stance seems to be that the Manx public is gossipy and nosey. Whereas, as with all communities, the Manx public is interested in what is happening in its community. We don't need to have the ins and outs of a duck's ass, nor are we demanding that. But to have a road closed for an investigation with no information, and then to be advised that there was an altercation, that's it, no indication of injuries, arrests or the broad circumstances, just comes across as a contempt for the public. That contempt was demonstrated in Thommo2010's reply above. Said many times, no one expects information that jeopardises an investigation, but policing is supposed to be by consent and requires openness and candour. How would I show any contempt? I don't know anything about the incident, I was genuinely interested in what more you would like to know, how would knowing about injuries or if people had been arrested assist you in giving information to the police? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 14 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: I am genuinely wondering what more information people want to know as it all appears to be there The date of the court case is not there. Of course that is not decided at the moment, but it is reasonable for people to want to know such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 3 minutes ago, Two-lane said: The date of the court case is not there. Of course that is not decided at the moment, but it is reasonable for people to want to know such things. Why would that be reasonable? unless there is a personal connection to the case i.e you are involved know the people involved etc why would you want to know when the court case is? court is held every Tuesday and Thursday and is open to the public so anyone can attend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 44 minutes ago, thommo2010 said: How would I show any contempt? I don't know anything about the incident, I was genuinely interested in what more you would like to know, how would knowing about injuries or if people had been arrested assist you in giving information to the police? You have just summed up the issue and don't understand the concept of an engaged public. It is not just about assisting people on giving information to the police, although understanding what the incident was about may 'jog' some memories or prompt people to come forward who otherwise hadn't thought of doing so. It is more about engendering openness and engagement; it's a two way street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Ship Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 On 8/11/2024 at 9:50 AM, Roger Mexico said: In a deeply shocking development, the police actually issued an appeal for information on the same day: At around 4am this morning, Saturday 10th August 2024, outside Elegance Taxis on Market Street, Douglas, an altercation has occurred between a number of males. ... Market Street was closed until 13:20 to enable Officers to conduct their enquiries. Inspector Michael Taylor said ‘ we would like to apologise for any inconvenience the closure of Market Street may of caused today, this is not a decision that is taken lightly ...' So the people who write IoM Constabulary appeals for information can't spell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, thommo2010 said: How would I show any contempt? I don't know anything about the incident, I was genuinely interested in what more you would like to know, how would knowing about injuries or if people had been arrested assist you in giving information to the police? A colleague who was in the vicinity just after the police arrived noted a large bloodstain, sounds a lot more serious than the police are indicating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommo2010 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 hour ago, Gladys said: You have just summed up the issue and don't understand the concept of an engaged public. It is not just about assisting people on giving information to the police, although understanding what the incident was about may 'jog' some memories or prompt people to come forward who otherwise hadn't thought of doing so. It is more about engendering openness and engagement; it's a two way street. For example this one it starts off with at 4am on Market street, I knew I wasn't on market street at that time so I just skip by it as I know there is no information that I could provide that would assist in anyway, in terms of what happened, how many arrested, injuries then I couldn't care less to be honest. If it involved someone close to me or someone I knew then I would find out through them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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