Manxman1234 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 10 hours ago, madmanxpilot said: I can’t really see a convoy of bikes under escort (by Police or TMs) on public roads being unsafe to be honest. Except a lot of racers apparently don’t have bike licences so would be illegal to ride on open roads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 hours ago, Manxman1234 said: Except a lot of racers apparently don’t have bike licences so would be illegal to ride on open roads I think they are covered From the regs: 8.127. The law on the Isle of Man provides that no racing machines should be ridden on a public highway except during the period commencing three hours before, during and two hours after a scheduled road closure period from where the machine is kept, directly to the start of the course, from a point on the course directly to the place it is kept or vice versa, or between points on the course. 8.128. Once a competitor has completed the Signing On process he/she is automatically covered for this under a policy put in place by the ACU and there is no additional cost to the competitor. 8.129. During this same period there are certain exemptions as identified in the Tourist Trophy Road Races (Road Vehicles Maintenance and Use) Order 2016 which apply to Machines, in that; The requirements relating to tyres and lighting as set out in the Road Vehicles (Maintenance and Use) Regulations 2012 shall not apply to a motor vehicle competing in any road race or practice authorised by the Road Race Order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Couple of idiots arrested on closed roads https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/two-arrested-on-closed-roads/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Colombe Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 15 minutes ago, Banker said: Couple of idiots arrested on closed roads https://www.three.fm/news/isle-of-man-news/two-arrested-on-closed-roads/ I could have told you that. I feel a bit sorry for these guys, they were arrested after the no later than whatever it was as specified in the roads closing order. The tweetbeat thing didn't mention extended closures. Nor did Manx Radio website until later. Bit of a mess really. It all seems a bit ungovernable these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Tatlock Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 11 hours ago, slinkydevil said: Really? After all the sh1t we've been through and the message hammered home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 1 hour ago, kevster said: The requirements relating to tyres and lighting as set out in the Road Vehicles (Maintenance and Use) Regulations 2012 shall not apply to a motor vehicle competing in any road race or practice authorised by the Road Race Order. 8.127. OK 8.128 OK 8.129 mmmm. Is returning to the Grandstand on open public roads because a practice has been abandoned "competing in any road race or practice authorised by the Road Race Order"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RecklessAbandon Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Ground News - Motorcyclist dies after accident in Manx Grand Prix Made world news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 32 minutes ago, John Wright said: 8.127. OK 8.128 OK 8.129 mmmm. Is returning to the Grandstand on open public roads because a practice has been abandoned "competing in any road race or practice authorised by the Road Race Order"? 8.129 states 'during this same period' so yes, seems ok to me as the bikes were competing/practicing, and are subsequently being ridden on the road within 2 hours of start/finish, whatever it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Mexico Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 2 hours ago, kevster said: 4 hours ago, Manxman1234 said: Except a lot of racers apparently don’t have bike licences so would be illegal to ride on open roads I think they are covered From the regs: 8.127. The law on the Isle of Man provides that no racing machines should be ridden on a public highway except during the period commencing three hours before, during and two hours after a scheduled road closure period from where the machine is kept, directly to the start of the course, from a point on the course directly to the place it is kept or vice versa, or between points on the course. But isn't that about the legality of the machines, not the riders. And racers who don't have a motorbike licence are more common that you think. It seems it's possible to win a lot of races even, without one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 35 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said: But isn't that about the legality of the machines, not the riders. And racers who don't have a motorbike licence are more common that you think. It seems it's possible to win a lot of races even, without one. Indeed, many world champions have never held a road bike licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 47 minutes ago, wrighty said: 8.129 states 'during this same period' so yes, seems ok to me as the bikes were competing/practicing, and are subsequently being ridden on the road within 2 hours of start/finish, whatever it was. The numbered points are only précis paraphrases of the actual statute and regulations. They don’t have force of law. They’re guidance. But 1.128 states “motor vehicle competing in any road race or practice authorised by the Road Race Order”. Returning on an open public road which has not been closed by an order may, even if they are returning to grandstand or base, not be competing in a road race or practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passing Time Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 21 minutes ago, Max Power said: Indeed, many world champions have never held a road bike licence. It's a ludicrous situation. You'd have thought this would be a requirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 Just now, Passing Time said: It's a ludicrous situation. You'd have thought this would be a requirement Why? Most of them were racing or riding before being old enough to ride on public roads. Racing has no relevance to riding on a public road. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrighty Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 5 minutes ago, Max Power said: Why? Most of them were racing or riding before being old enough to ride on public roads. Racing has no relevance to riding on a public road. And in MGP, many of them are old enough that they didn't need a license when they started out in the 1940s. Possibly 🤣 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevster Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 9 minutes ago, Passing Time said: It's a ludicrous situation. You'd have thought this would be a requirement Not just bikes. Max Verstappen didn't hold a valid driving licence at the time of his F1 debut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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