Manx financial scam: Chinese Filipino Boilerhouse

[Gladys]

1 minute ago, Albert Tatlock said:

We should maybe form a self-help group...perhaps call it "Manx Taxpayers".

Nice idea, but there is no funding. Interesting times. 

 

[Amadeus]

34 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Well the UN are right behind us. 

Unfortunately it's the UN International Court of Justice

[Gladys]

Just now, Amadeus said:

Unfortunately it's the UN International Court of Justice

Quite. 

[Non-Believer]

52 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Wait for the next press release that we have been nominated for the best small pig butchery island in the world.  

Maybe we should let their efficient practices loose on the Meat Plant to see if that can turn a similar profit...

[Sceptic]

3 hours ago, manxkinho said:

The connections that the founder of king has to Zhao Wei are an indication of how much of a bad guy he is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhao_Wei_(gangster)

Sounds more and more like the Triads, doesn’t it?

Sound familiar in any way?

[germann]

21 hours ago, Mistercee said:

 

1. How was a Manx shellfish processor paying below minimum wage to a foreign national?

 

Must have been employed as pieceworkers. If that's still a thing. Workers are paid by the weight of their output, with no minimum pay for a crap yield or no work due to poor weather. Like Sports Direct on steroids. Back in my day they were Irish students, then they were replaced by Poles and later Bulgarians as the EU went further east. Now these poor Filipinos are doing the graft, but with zero rights. Another Brexit dividend to celebrate.

It's so easy to see how the system is being gamed. No NHS surcharge puts us to the front of the queue when sourcing cheap foreign labour, and because this labour will be earning below the income tax threshold, they won't be contributing much to our coffers beyond NI, if that's even being paid. 

It's interesting, but not surprising, that they are being recruited from the Middle East, rather than directly from the Philippines. The Philippines actually has strict border controls on Filipino nationals leaving the country, and in an attempt to prevent people trafficking refuses boarding of passengers if they suspect foul play is ahead, much to the chagrin of passengers who are leaving for legit jobs who invariably get deboarded & unloaded. There are no such controls on Filipinos leaving third countries like the KSA, UAE and Qatar, for example. So if a downtrodden, exploited domestic worker in Doha or Dubai sees an ad for 'hotel work in the UK', it's unsurprising if they are so easily attracted, especially with the allure of a UK passport at the end of the rainbow. The bonus for the gangmasters is they doubtless bag the NHS surcharge if said victim is rerouted to our shores. 

Shameful, and even more so given that would be so preventable by anyone in IoM immigration with a modicum of due diligence & common sense. Corruption or gross negligence? You take your pick. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by germann

[WTF]

6 minutes ago, germann said:

Corruption or gross negligence? You take your pick. 

can't we choose both ??

Edited yesterday at 07:12 AM by WTF

[Amadeus]

1 hour ago, germann said:

Must have been employed as pieceworkers. If that's still a thing. Workers are paid by the weight of their output, with no minimum pay for a crap yield or no work due to poor weather. Like Sports Direct on steroids. Back in my day they were Irish students, then they were replaced by Poles and later Bulgarians as the EU went further east. Now these poor Filipinos are doing the graft, but with zero rights. Another Brexit dividend to celebrate.

It's so easy to see how the system is being gamed. No NHS surcharge puts us to the front of the queue when sourcing cheap foreign labour, and because this labour will be earning below the income tax threshold, they won't be contributing much to our coffers beyond NI, if that's even being paid. 

It's interesting, but not surprising, that they are being recruited from the Middle East, rather than directly from the Philippines. The Philippines actually has strict border controls on Filipino nationals leaving the country, and in an attempt to prevent people trafficking refuses boarding of passengers if they suspect foul play is ahead, much to the chagrin of passengers who are leaving for legit jobs who invariably get deboarded & unloaded. There are no such controls on Filipinos leaving third countries like the KSA, UAE and Qatar, for example. So if a downtrodden, exploited domestic worker in Doha or Dubai sees an ad for 'hotel work in the UK', it's unsurprising if they are so easily attracted, especially with the allure of a UK passport at the end of the rainbow. The bonus for the gangmasters is they doubtless bag the NHS surcharge if said victim is rerouted to our shores. 

Shameful, and even more so given that would be so preventable by anyone in IoM immigration with a modicum of due diligence & common sense. Corruption or gross negligence? You take your pick. 

 

 

 

 

Pretty spot on I think. 

[Mistercee]

53 minutes ago, Amadeus said:

Pretty spot on I think. 

But : 

Under the Minimum Wage Act 2001: 

1 Workers to be paid at least the minimum wage [P1998/39/1]

(1) A person who qualifies for the minimum wage shall be remunerated by his employer in respect of his work in any pay reference period at a rate which is not less than the minimum wage.

(2) A person qualifies for the minimum wage if he is an individual who —

(a) is a worker

(b) is working, or ordinarily works, in the Island under his contract;

and

-(c) has ceased to be of compulsory school age. 

[FANDL]

11 hours ago, germann said:

Must have been employed as pieceworkers. If that's still a thing. Workers are paid by the weight of their output, with no minimum pay for a crap yield or no work due to poor weather.

You have to pay the designated minimum wage even for piece work. You can’t employ anyone on an hourly rate under that set by the minimum wage. That is the whole point of a minimum wage. 

[germann]

9 hours ago, Mistercee said:

But : 

Under the Minimum Wage Act 2001: 

1 Workers to be paid at least the minimum wage [P1998/39/1]

(1) A person who qualifies for the minimum wage shall be remunerated by his employer in respect of his work in any pay reference period at a rate which is not less than the minimum wage.

(2) A person qualifies for the minimum wage if he is an individual who —

(a) is a worker

(b) is working, or ordinarily works, in the Island under his contract;

and

-(c) has ceased to be of compulsory school age. 

I suggest you ask that to be added to the gangmasters' induction pack.

[manxkinho]

1 hour ago, germann said:

I suggest you ask that to be added to the gangmasters' induction pack.

Yeah, apparently it involves setting up a scam centre in a business park and promising to build a 70m HQ, so I heard….