Manx Social Media Regulation

[Luker]

2 hours ago, 2112 said:

The state controlled media outlet this morning has given airtime to ex Chief Constable Gary Roberts, who is now in charge of the Small Countries Financial Management Programme. He is bemoaning the fact that more needs to be done to teach young people about social media, and especially the difference between facts and misinformation. 

It’s not too dissimilar to the arguments of two-tier Kier who objects to people expressing opinions that he disagrees with so much that people are getting two year prison sentences for things they posted on Facebook that other people may or may not have read or then acted on. But the main issue he avoids is that the IOM has no reliable media for people to rely on either. We have Manx Radio that is paid the best part of £1m a year by Tynwald to STFU and employ has-been MHK presenters like Phil Gawne to discuss current affairs. Of the wife of a government spin doctor and current head of the DHA who tries to pretend that she interrogates people but doesn’t want a hard stare when she gets home. It’s so limp wristed it’s embarrassing. Then we have a local newspaper that is 70% just a cut and paste agency for official government press releases that doesn’t even seem to like allowing comments being made under any of its stories any more. And the rest is Juan Turners pointless rage machine that seems to be told nothing and becoming increasingly like GB News by the day and a few absolute whoppers on here most of whom clearly work for government anyway looking at the content.

Thats why people read and post on social media in the Isle of Man. Because otherwise you’re actually given nothing of any substance by anyone that hasn’t gone through three layers of government before it’s even published. 

Edited September 1 by Luker
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[Moghrey Mie]

2 hours ago, 2112 said:

The state controlled media outlet this morning has given airtime to ex Chief Constable Gary Roberts, who is now in charge of the Small Countries Financial Management Programme. He is bemoaning the fact that more needs to be done to teach young people about social media, and especially the difference between facts and misinformation. 
 

What’s clearly rattled Gary Roberts? This particular ‘charity’ is active in the press and visible pre-Tynpotwald Day in early July. Has someone made an allegation? 
 

In some respects it is admirable that this course is trying to teach civil servants from small countries correct financial management and best practices, but are we also trying to hide transparency - hallmarks in a dictatorship/one rule state, where free speech is denied? I bet both IOMG and the Police would love extra regulation preventing discussion, and free speech of IOM affairs. 
 

The article -

Charity director keen to see greater regulation

The director of a charity that works to help developing nations grow their finance sectors wants to see greater regulation of social media.

Gary Roberts, from the Small Countries Financial Management Programme, says more needs to be done to teach young people about social media and understanding the difference between facts and misinformation.

Ensuring decisions are made based on evidence is part of the work the charity does with small jurisdictions, including how to identify whether what's posted on social media is accurate.

Mr Roberts says it's an area that needs to be tackled:

 

This organisation is funded by our International Development Aid budget. They meet at the Nunnery and in Oxford.

If Mr Roberts wants a case study where 'decisions are based on evidence' he might look at the contract to build the new ferry terminal in Liverpool.

How did the IOM control the costs there?

 

 

[Fred the shred]

The idea that anyone could learn anything constructive from this Goverment just baffles me.    Do they get a goody bag when leaving or a big, big carpet ?

[WTF]

  from 10 - 15 seconds covers it.

[Moghrey Mie]

13 minutes ago, Fred the shred said:

The idea that anyone could learn anything constructive from this Goverment just baffles me.    Do they get a goody bag when leaving or a big, big carpet ?

There are 8 directors and 3 people on a management team.

https://www.scfmc.im/ 

[2112]

Why has Gary Roberts opened his mouth?

Misinformation - clearly demonstrated on social media outlets in July 24 resulting from the fatal stabbings in Southport, followed by rioting in various parts of the UK. Was there a Manx connection?

What has happened during the summer on the Isle of Man since our politicos went off on holiday?

Bad Weather and great MGP fiasco

Sea Terminal closure at night

Third party investigation into King Gaming, resulting in extremely negative publicity for the island, and many questions that IOMG will have to answer. They will hide behind subjudice and legal processes etc for as long as possible.
 

Perhaps the misinformation is being aimed at this site and IOMN&P? The comments section on most stories on the IOM Newspapers has presumably been disabled? 

[2112]

13 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said:

There are 8 directors and 3 people on a management team.

https://www.scfmc.im/ 

How much is this costing the taxpayers? 
 

I would hope it’s not a full time job? Could the IOM college not put the course together and deliver it, to keep costs to a minimum? Looks like maximum dick waving and grandstanding, whilst spaffing taxpayer money. 

[Meoir Shee]

40 minutes ago, Luker said:

It’s not too dissimilar to the arguments of two-tier Kier who objects to people expressing opinions that he disagrees with so much that people are getting two year prison sentences for things they posted on Facebook that other people may or may not have read or then acted on.

Do you mean people who plead guilty to inciting racial hatred?  How is that the Prime Minister objecting to people expressing opinions he disagrees with?  Has the current government passed any legislation in this area?  I was under the impression the police arrest people, the CPS prosecute if necessary and the courts pass sentence.  Where is the Prime Minister in that process?

 

 

[Roger Mexico]

23 minutes ago, 2112 said:

How much is this costing the taxpayers? 

According to the latest accounts:

Though the amount received in 2022-23 was £283,000.  As MM says, the money comes out of the international development budget, but as is often way with these things, the spending is mostly done in the IOM/UK.

[2112]

4 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

According to the latest accounts:

Though the amount received in 2022-23 was £283,000.  As MM says, the money comes out of the international development budget, but as is often way with these things, the spending is mostly done in the IOM/UK.

Is the funding for running and teaching the course? Are the directors and Gary Roberts on a salary? No doubt they will receive a gong in a New Years and Birthday Honours? 

[Roger Mexico]

11 minutes ago, 2112 said:

Is the funding for running and teaching the course? Are the directors and Gary Roberts on a salary? No doubt they will receive a gong in a New Years and Birthday Honours? 

Again from the Accounts (p 12):

Costs are higher than revenue because they seem to be using up surpluses accumulated over Covid.

There are three members of the management team, but it's not clear how much they are paid from the Salary costs pot and how much from the Teaching expenses one.

[Luker]

1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Perhaps the misinformation is being aimed at this site and IOMN&P? The comments section on most stories on the IOM Newspapers has presumably been disabled? 

Unlikely it’s likely more aimed at Twitter & Facebook where people seem to largely express open opinion and provide accurate information rather than any of the mis informed claptrap that seems to appear on here. I would doubt that anyone is quaking in their boots about either MF or IOMN&P to be honest.

[Barlow]

1 hour ago, Meoir Shee said:

 I was under the impression the police arrest people, the CPS prosecute if necessary and the courts pass sentence.  Where is the Prime Minister in that process?

I am not defending any of the riotous behaviours, but the Prime Minister, in this ongoing process, loudly publicised his support of the prosecutions, the Home Office too. Why did they do this, rather than just express that matters are goind through the legal process? It could be seen as prejudicial. 

In the Isle of Man incidentally, the police will look at a matter and present to the Attorney General's Office for a decision whether or not to prosecute, which is akin to the CPS procedure in UK. It is not unknown in the Isle of Man for the police to simply not take a matter to the AG and then lie that they have, and that the AG's office has declined a case (all a procedure condoned apparently by our Gary).

Lie, lie, lie.

There said it three times, which should be enough to conjure up Derek to defend the wonderful Isle of Man police force (which actually is largely wonderful of course, but bad apples seemingly nurtured and promoted).

 

Edited September 1 by Barlow

[Derek Flint]

10 minutes ago, Barlow said:

I am not defending any of the riotous behaviours, but the Prime Minister, in this ongoing process, loudly publicised his support of the prosecutions, the Home Office too. Why did they do this, rather than just express that matters are goind through the legal process? It could be seen as prejudicial. 

In the Isle of Man incidentally, the police will look at a matter and present to the Attorney General's Office for a decision whether or not to prosecute, which is akin to the CPS procedure in UK. It is not unknown in the Isle of Man for the police to simply not take a matter to the AG and then lie that they have, and that the AG's office has declined a case

Lie, lie, lie.

There said it three times, which should be enough to conjure up Derek

 

Beetlejuice!

Which case(s) are you referring to?

Are you suggesting Gary Roberts is corrupt in some form or other?

 You'll notice I've deleted parts of your post as to leave them in would be considered as publication.

I'll leave you to reflect upon that as to what you want to do with the post.

[Harry Lamb]

4 hours ago, manxchester said:

I think older people are just as (if not more) likely to get suckered into believing everything they see on social media, definitely not just a young person problem.

Lots of them believe the Mail and Express, for starters.