Tinpot Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, cissolt said: They can pressure the department to prioritise public services over cruise ships? So should they just cancel bookings that were made weeks or months ago? How would that reflect on the island? What about weddings that were booked two years ago? Should they cancel those at a couple of days notice as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barlow Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 5 hours ago, Passing Time said: I see you are still using your childlike acronym... Back in the day the admin would have used the forum swear filter to auto change that to another word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wright Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 minute ago, Barlow said: Back in the day the admin would have used the forum swear filter to auto change that to another word Ah, the good old days, with Vader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 5 minutes ago, Tinpot said: So should they just cancel bookings that were made weeks or months ago? How would that reflect on the island? What about weddings that were booked two years ago? Should they cancel those at a couple of days notice as well? The starting point would be not to compete with the private sector. Honour the current obligations, but accept no more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-lane Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 1 hour ago, cissolt said: They can pressure the department to prioritise public services over cruise ships? They should be able to, but.... is Crookall going to walk into Curphey's office and say "Do as you are told and fix the problem, or you are fired". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinpot Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 9 minutes ago, Gladys said: The starting point would be not to compete with the private sector. Honour the current obligations, but accept no more. We’re the private sector able to take on that work on Saturday, or were they already fully booked? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 7 minutes ago, Tinpot said: We’re the private sector able to take on that work on Saturday, or were they already fully booked? That is, to an extent, irrelevant. There was an obligation for BV to honour and should do so. But should it be taking on these obligations in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 It's completely irrelevant. BV should not be doing private hires if there's even the slightest possibility of a scheduled public service being cancelled. I take your point about these bookings being made in advance - but they won't have been made in advance of the previous load of bus cancellations last year when they were busy running cruise ship passengers again. To make a mistake is one thing, they may be forgiven for the first time it happened (although completely their fault). But to deliberately end up in the same position again is unforgivable - especially with the attempted cover up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 22 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: It's completely irrelevant. BV should not be doing private hires if there's even the slightest possibility of a scheduled public service being cancelled. I take your point about these bookings being made in advance - but they won't have been made in advance of the previous load of bus cancellations last year when they were busy running cruise ship passengers again. To make a mistake is one thing, they may be forgiven for the first time it happened (although completely their fault). But to deliberately end up in the same position again is unforgivable - especially with the attempted cover up. Agreed, but the issue is why are these commitments still being entered into after last year? Once the commitment has been made who can step in? Winter is coming with few, if any, cruise ships. BV should extricate itself from any commitments for next year while making sure the private operators can step in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Just now, Gladys said: Agreed, but the issue is why are these commitments still being entered into after last year? Once the commitment has been made who can step in? Winter is coming with few, if any, cruise ships. BV should extricate itself from any commitments for next year while making sure the private operators can step in. Completely agree, they should have learnt their lesson last time and not entered into the private hire current arrangements. It's irrelevant whether or not any private operators can step in. Government have declared a climate emergency, we can't be cancelling scheduled public transport services, it's that simple. Private sector capacity for private hire work is a secondary consideration to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 25 minutes ago, A fool and his money..... said: Completely agree, they should have learnt their lesson last time and not entered into the private hire current arrangements. It's irrelevant whether or not any private operators can step in. Government have declared a climate emergency, we can't be cancelling scheduled public transport services, it's that simple. Private sector capacity for private hire work is a secondary consideration to that. If we want to preserve the cruise business, even though it seems to be an anathema to climate initiatives, then we are going to have to make sure it can be serviced. Preferably this should be by the private sector so the bus service to residents isn’t impacted. All in all, it seems to be a great example of a snake eating it's own tail. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A fool and his money..... Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 If we want to preserve the cruise business, we certainly don't want to preserve it at the expense of our public transport system. It's a question of priorities. Public transport must be a priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banker Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 On 9/11/2024 at 5:06 PM, 2112 said: Tonight’s news on the NPM leads Onchans Ex Ministers and MHKs demanding that the HoK should be recalled. What’s upset them (and many others) is the bus cancellations fiasco, and the non-sailing of the Manxman, under any bad weather etc. The likelihood of both Julie Edge and Rob Callister actually getting anywhere is non existent, and demanding ‘where is the chief minister’ is a joke - as he was in London, dick waving with a trade minister, and a minister who represents the Crown Dependencies. Why are you still using the stupid name for we assume Manx Radio which you are quoting as broadcasting criticism of IOMG ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Just now, A fool and his money..... said: If we want to preserve the cruise business, we certainly don't want to preserve it at the expense of our public transport system. It's a question of priorities. Public transport must be a priority. No, you are right, but there has to be a plan to hand over to the private sector rather than drop it like a hot potato. As ever, stuff isn't thought through - 'oh look, a great opportunity for the island and we have all these sparkly buses doing f all. So we will transport the visitors round the island. Oh look, we have these hugely overpaid drivers so we will amend their t&cs and put them on zero hours. Oh look, we have a cruise ship in and not enough drivers to service both the public service and the cruise business. Oh look, there aren't any private coaches to do it.' Seems simple to just stop, but it isn't. Underlying this is really that public services should just concentrate on that and that alone. The best government should do is create the opportunity, not fulfill it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopek Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Normally I would agree regarding NPM moniker but the further content of their post is poignant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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