Passing Time Posted Saturday at 09:31 PM Share Posted Saturday at 09:31 PM So someone released under this ill conceived idea is now back inside for allegedly assaulting a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted Sunday at 06:45 AM Share Posted Sunday at 06:45 AM Assaulted the woman on the day of his release. Back inside within 24 hours. He's not the only one either. The cops will be spitting feathers at this policy after all the work of getting some of these scrotes into prison in the first place. Starmer's Labour government are even worse than anyone predicted. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted Sunday at 09:05 AM Share Posted Sunday at 09:05 AM Can't find details of the original sentence, but only those serving fewer than 4 years are eligible for the early release, which sees prisoners released at 40% of sentence rather than 50%. So without this change he would've been out in a couple of months anyway. Does anyone think the result would have been any different? i.e. this is not indicative of a failure of the policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTeapot Posted Sunday at 09:34 AM Share Posted Sunday at 09:34 AM Over crowded prisons are a failure of policy, Well, the failure of lots of policies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake me up Judy Posted Sunday at 10:36 AM Share Posted Sunday at 10:36 AM 1 hour ago, HeliX said: Can't find details of the original sentence, but only those serving fewer than 4 years are eligible for the early release, which sees prisoners released at 40% of sentence rather than 50%. So without this change he would've been out in a couple of months anyway. Does anyone think the result would have been any different? i.e. this is not indicative of a failure of the policy. Bit of a shrug of the shoulders there Helix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted Sunday at 10:58 AM Share Posted Sunday at 10:58 AM 21 minutes ago, Shake me up Judy said: Bit of a shrug of the shoulders there Helix. At this being a news story heralded as proof that early release doesn't work, yes. Obviously the offence is awful, there's no contention over that so it doesn't add much to the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted Sunday at 11:00 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:00 AM 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: Over crowded prisons are a failure of policy, Well, the failure of lots of policies. The biggest failure of policy being David Cameron and Gideon Osborne and their "austerity" drive. They not only reduced the Police Force by 20,000 officers but they also started closing courts. For example since 2010 over half of the Magistrates Courts have been closed. This has slowed down the justice system leading to more prisoners on Remand awaiting trial. A "snapshot" of UK prisons in June this year showed that out of 87,726 inmates there were 17,070 on Remand. A total lack of joined-up thinking entirely typical of tory governments. Thank goodness the adults are now in charge... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted Sunday at 11:02 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:02 AM 1 minute ago, P.K. said: The biggest failure of policy being David Cameron and Gideon Osborne and their "austerity" drive. They not only reduced the Police Force by 20,000 officers but they also started closing courts. For example since 2010 over half of the Magistrates Courts have been closed. This has slowed down the justice system leading to more prisoners on Remand awaiting trial. A "snapshot" of UK prisons in June this year showed that out of 87,726 inmates there were 17,070 on Remand. A total lack of joined-up thinking entirely typical of tory governments. Thank goodness the adults are now in charge... The biggest failure is the pointless war on drugs locking people up for possession. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted Sunday at 11:07 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:07 AM 6 minutes ago, HeliX said: The biggest failure is the pointless war on drugs locking people up for possession. Dear me. They're not being locked up for "possession" of drugs. They're being locked up for breaking the law. Simple as... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted Sunday at 11:08 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:08 AM Just now, P.K. said: Dear me. They're not being locked up for "possession" of drugs. They're being locked up for breaking the law. Simple as... A law which is a complete failure and not in the public interest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted Sunday at 11:09 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:09 AM 2 minutes ago, HeliX said: A law which is a complete failure and not in the public interest. In your opinion. Which doesn't change the fact that they were locked up for breaking the law... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted Sunday at 11:10 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:10 AM Just now, P.K. said: In your opinion. Which doesn't change the fact that they were locked up for breaking the law... You're arguing against a point you've invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted Sunday at 11:14 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:14 AM 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: You're arguing against a point you've invented. No I'm not. They knew they were breaking the law so only have themselves to blame for the consequences. If you can't do the time etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted Sunday at 11:16 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:16 AM 2 minutes ago, P.K. said: No I'm not. They knew they were breaking the law so only have themselves to blame for the consequences. If you can't do the time etc... You're still doing it. I didn't say anything contrary to any of that, I said the law that put them there is a policy failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.K. Posted Sunday at 11:23 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:23 AM 4 minutes ago, HeliX said: You're still doing it. I didn't say anything contrary to any of that, I said the law that put them there is a policy failure. Prove it. On a contentious issue like this I like to put numbers around it to back up the case. You should try it. If you do don't forget to include the number of crimes associated with trying to feed an addiction... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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