The close borders mentals are planning a take over!

[Two-lane]

When someone is stopped arriving in Douglas at the ferry terminal and is found to have drugs, what percentage of the times is it due to security here detecting the problem, and what percentage is it because the Liverpool police have told them that a package is on the way?

Can anyone make an uneducated guess?

[Tinpot]

33 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

Can anyone make an uneducated guess

84 percent, and 126.7 percent.

[cissolt]

41 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

When someone is stopped arriving in Douglas at the ferry terminal and is found to have drugs, what percentage of the times is it due to security here detecting the problem, and what percentage is it because the Liverpool police have told them that a package is on the way?

Can anyone make an uneducated guess?

The outbound figure will be even more stark.

0% drugs found by search

0% weapons found

10k proceeds of crime for 10,000+ searches. Maybe £1 recovered for every search is a good hit rate.

 

 

[John Wright]

1 hour ago, Two-lane said:

When someone is stopped arriving in Douglas at the ferry terminal and is found to have drugs, what percentage of the times is it due to security here detecting the problem, and what percentage is it because the Liverpool police have told them that a package is on the way?

Can anyone make an uneducated guess?

 

54 minutes ago, cissolt said:

The outbound figure will be even more stark.

0% drugs found by search

0% weapons found

10k proceeds of crime for 10,000+ searches. Maybe £1 recovered for every search is a good hit rate.

 

 

Based on my own experiences of representing detained or charged people as duty advocate at both police stations and courts I’d say much of both inbound and out bound detection is intelligence led, whether that’s Manx, Merseyside, North Wales, or Lancashire individually or collaboratively.

And some of it, especially inbound, is not just months but years of patient observing, putting cases together, looking at coincidences, travel patterns, analysing bank accounts, and interrogating seized phones.

And never forget the dogs on the car deck and at baggage claim.

Outbound, it’s more local knowledge, watching travel patterns, related persons.

I don’t think the new facilities will result in more “random” stops and searches. The authorities have to have reasons. It’s more a case of the searches being protected from the elements or prying eyes.

So, inbound it’s the vast majority which are intelligence led, rather than happenstance.

Similarly, out bound, 90% cash due to intelligence. Next to nothing random.

Ive dealt with one drug “export” case in 40+ years. And never a firearm, in or out.

[TheTeapot]

Interesting post that one, for reasons. 

[Gladys]

37 minutes ago, John Wright said:

 

Based on my own experiences of representing detained or charged people as duty advocate at both police stations and courts I’d say much of both inbound and out bound detection is intelligence led, whether that’s Manx, Merseyside, North Wales, or Lancashire individually or collaboratively.

And some of it, especially inbound, is not just months but years of patient observing, putting cases together, looking at coincidences, travel patterns, analysing bank accounts, and interrogating seized phones.

And never forget the dogs on the car deck and at baggage claim.

Outbound, it’s more local knowledge, watching travel patterns, related persons.

I don’t think the new facilities will result in more “random” stops and searches. The authorities have to have reasons. It’s more a case of the searches being protected from the elements or prying eyes.

So, inbound it’s the vast majority which are intelligence led, rather than happenstance.

Similarly, out bound, 90% cash due to intelligence. Next to nothing random.

Ive dealt with one drug “export” case in 40+ years. And never a firearm, in or out.

Thanks John, but is the outbound cash mainly Manx currency and how do they get rid of that cash in the UK? 

[Two-lane]

4 minutes ago, Gladys said:

Thanks John, but is the outbound cash mainly Manx currency and how do they get rid of that cash in the UK? 

Possibly the "entrepreneurs" accept foreign currency only - used notes, no sequential numbers, and all that stuff.

 

[Gladys]

4 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

Possibly the "entrepreneurs" accept foreign currency only - used notes, no sequential numbers, and all that stuff.

 

Very possibly, but you would think that the ATMs on the island dispensing UK notes (just 2?)  would be worth monitoring? 

[Alanbellend]

10 minutes ago, Two-lane said:

Possibly the "entrepreneurs" accept foreign currency only - used notes, no sequential numbers, and all that stuff.

There are plenty of “car dealers” and other traders here who seem to have an endless supply of UK £50 notes with which they do their trading. Also second hand Rolex’s or gold swapped for Manx cash that can be moved back and which can be redeemed at any bullion or pawnbroker UK wide. 

[360 View]

It’s going to take a teensy bit more than just writing some bullshit law for facial recognition cameras, like validated datasets, justification for each deployment, and rigorous control.  Have they decided whether it will be just at certain locations, or will our powers that be go for newer body-worn types that can be turned on anywhere? Bet it will be the most expensive type anyway and probably already bought hoping the law will be a mere formality.

This article flags up some of the issues

 https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/UK-police-facial-recognition-what-you-need-to-know#:~:text=UK police have been using,Met has ramped up considerably.

[Two-lane]

The document does not specify in what way facial recognition will be used. I presume that there are two types which may be used at a port of entry:

1. A camera recording everyone walking along a passageway from an aircraft or ship. The amount of data recorded will be so high that real-time analysis is not possible, and anyway people may use techniques to hide their appearance.

2. A turnstile system where every person has to stand and look into a camera, and will not be permitted to pass through until checks are completed.

 

 

[Gladys]

57 minutes ago, Alanbellend said:

There are plenty of “car dealers” and other traders here who seem to have an endless supply of UK £50 notes with which they do their trading. Also second hand Rolex’s or gold swapped for Manx cash that can be moved back and which can be redeemed at any bullion or pawnbroker UK wide. 

On the Rolexes, still don't see how that keeps IOM currency away from the UK.  If they are swapped for Manx cash, they still have the Manx cash to get rid of. 

The only way I can see that working is for the high value item to be bought here with Manx notes, then taken to the UK. 

Edited Sunday at 08:13 PM by Gladys

[Alanbellend]

2 minutes ago, Gladys said:

On the Rolexes, still don't see how that keeps IOM currency away from the UK.  If they are swapped for Manx cash, they still have the Manx cash to get rid of. 

No they don’t. You find a buyer here that accepts Manx cash for a watch. You pay for it with cash. They bank the Manx cash and you then redeem it for UK cash at a pawnbroker in the UK. 

[Gladys]

45 minutes ago, Alanbellend said:

No they don’t. You find a buyer here that accepts Manx cash for a watch. You pay for it with cash. They bank the Manx cash and you then redeem it for UK cash at a pawnbroker in the UK. 

Which is what I said in the second para.  

[Roger Mexico]

3 hours ago, Gladys said:

Thanks John, but is the outbound cash mainly Manx currency and how do they get rid of that cash in the UK? 

That's what has always puzzled me.  If you look at the photographs of the cash seized in an Annex to last year's Chief Constable's Report ("Operation Artemis"), you'll see that nearly all of them appear to be Manx notes (mainly £20s).  You'd think such quantities (they seized nearly a quarter of a million pounds worth) would be easy to spot given few shops will take them.

Edited Sunday at 10:17 PM by Roger Mexico
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