Scuttlebutt is.... who's possibly looking to sell/buy the Manxman?

[Manxman2000]

8 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

What's cheaper? Rebuild the harbour, or build a ship that fits?

ask Peel to build new rubber walls. Knock down the Battery Pier.

Edited 17 hours ago by Manxman2000

[Omobono]

missed a huge trick not getting involved with Stena line   and  sharing the developing  of their facilities at 12 quays in Birkenhead  but certain politicos were hell bent on Liverpool , but they have sailed off into the sunset now leaving us with a pile of crap and huge cost ,just wait until  Liverpool start the environmental  charges to drive through the city centre  and follow  London and Manchester , 

[Cambon]

1 hour ago, Derek Flint said:

Is the boat any bigger than the Stena stuff that sails out of there?

Shorter in length but taller. Probably similar windage. 

[John Wright]

2 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

Is the boat any bigger than the Stena stuff that sails out of there?

 

25 minutes ago, Cambon said:

Shorter in length but taller. Probably similar windage. 

However as I posted a fortnight ago, Stena have just placed orders for two new Heysham freighters that will be longer than Manxman.

However the existing have, and new will have, significantly less windage due to cut outs and lower profile.

PS existing are longer than Mx.

 
 
 
 
 

[Fred the shred]

The thought of a tunnel makes me shudder why would you want to have any connection to the country the UK has turned into, sadly.

[LooseChange]

Has there ever been an analysis of how many vehicles go North from Heysham and how many go South?

If significantly more are heading South, why not look for a different port if Heysham is such an issue.  What about Holyhead? Why can't the Steam Racket use that instead of Heysham?

[Albert Tatlock]

4 minutes ago, LooseChange said:

Has there ever been an analysis of how many vehicles go North from Heysham and how many go South?

If significantly more are heading South, why not look for a different port if Heysham is such an issue.  What about Holyhead? Why can't the Steam Racket use that instead of Heysham?

With in 5.5 million living in Scotland, 57.5 million in England, and 3.1 million in Wales...what would be your best  guess? 😀

[Andy Onchan]

9 minutes ago, LooseChange said:

Has there ever been an analysis of how many vehicles go North from Heysham and how many go South?

If significantly more are heading South, why not look for a different port if Heysham is such an issue.  What about Holyhead? Why can't the Steam Racket use that instead of Heysham?

Heysham to Stoke-on-Trent just under two hours 

Holyhead to Stoke-on-Trent just under three hours 

Both calculated on current conditions on Google Maps.

[asitis]

17 hours ago, Happier diner said:

FFS. They are not selling it.

It's like mother hen has clucked and now the whole family is clucking. This is a whole thread of clucking twits. 

Actually it is unsurprising people jump on a thread like this one, we have had thirty years of the most ludicrous and 'no cannot possibly be true' ideas come to pass and all of us pay the price !

Edited 13 hours ago by asitis

[John Wright]

40 minutes ago, LooseChange said:

Has there ever been an analysis of how many vehicles go North from Heysham and how many go South?

If significantly more are heading South, why not look for a different port if Heysham is such an issue.  What about Holyhead? Why can't the Steam Racket use that instead of Heysham?

Why. Unless you’re going to the immediate Merseyside area there’s no difference going from Heysham to the South or East than Liverpool. 

The Heysham link improved things, and traffic in Liverpool is an issue 

[The Phantom]

13 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Heysham to Stoke-on-Trent just under two hours 

Holyhead to Stoke-on-Trent just under three hours 

Both calculated on current conditions on Google Maps.

Yeah I've done that N Wales / Anglesey trip a couple of times.  It is a bit of a mission. 

[Happier diner]

3 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Why. Unless you’re going to the immediate Merseyside area there’s no difference going from Heysham to the South or West than Liverpool. 

The Heysham link improved things, and traffic in Liverpool is an issue 

Its a bit further from Heysham (37miles further to London). However, I agree. If you take into account the time to get through Liverpool it cancels it out. We always go to Heysham, can't stand the Manannan cattle truck

[Andy Onchan]

21 minutes ago, The Phantom said:

Yeah I've done that N Wales / Anglesey trip a couple of times.  It is a bit of a mission. 

Thanks for being polite! 

[monasqueen]

1 hour ago, Happier diner said:

Its a bit further from Heysham (37miles further to London). However, I agree. If you take into account the time to get through Liverpool it cancels it out. We always go to Heysham, can't stand the Manannan cattle truck

Trying to find your way through Liverpool to/from the new terminal is a real pain. All inner city roads and traffic lights, and the signs (what signs?) don't help.

As has already been said, when Liverpool looks to increase their finances and introduces an emissions charge on cars, a lot of us will be caught if travelling that way.

Heysham is great to get to and from since the road improvements. An easy drive, and avoids central Lancaster.

Holyhead is ok to drive to/from. The road is pretty good, and quite fast most of the way, though at times there is a lot of lorry traffic going from/to the Irish boats. There are occasional service areas, like on motorways. For foot passengers, the trains terminate within the ferry terminal. (Real joined up thinking!) From there to the ship is a bus connection, as the ships' berths are quite a long way out. The buses are comfortable enough, not cramped like the school buses used at Heysham.

One of the main problems with moving out there would be the extra mileage that would need to be covered by freight vehicles, and anyone transporting livestock (horses, etc). And for anyone travelling to/from "The North", the extra miles would be significant. 

Well worth keeping in consideration for future use, anyway, provided that Manxman would fit there(!). The other vessels fit - see https://www.isleofman.com/news/view/22004009/holyhead-berthing-trial-for-manannan.

 

[Manxman2000]

43 minutes ago, monasqueen said:

Holyhead is ok to drive to/from. The road is pretty good, and quite fast most of the way, though at times there is a lot of lorry traffic going from/to the Irish boats. There are occasional service areas, like on motorways. For foot passengers, the trains terminate within the ferry terminal. (Real joined up thinking!) From there to the ship is a bus connection, as the ships' berths are quite a long way out. The buses are comfortable enough, not cramped like the school buses used at Heysham.

Well worth keeping in consideration for future use, anyway, provided that Manxman would fit there(!). The other vessels fit - see https://www.isleofman.com/news/view/22004009/holyhead-berthing-trial-for-manannan.

 

Holyhead Port is 100yds from the A55 express way. Two sets of lights.  When the Irish guys arrive (Stenna and Irish Ferries ) within 10 min of each other, it’s manic. Once the Irish have gone it’s quiet.  At times of high winds the Britania Bridge is closed or restricted ( not happened this year ) but you can still use the Menai Bridge, it’s very tight for artics but dooable with your drivers mirror folded in.  It’s rated to 44ton. The harbour is big with 4 link spans two of which are in the inner harbour not in use presently.  The two main links are double deck links but are used by the Dublin Swift, Irish ferries fast craft.  The Hss now gone had a link in the inner harbour and also used to layup for the winter. So the Manxman is spoilt for choice.  The Ben trial birthed two links without problem.  
Trains go to London Euston via Crewe Stafford and Birmingham.  Local trains go to Liverpool Manchester Chester Cardiff etc without leaving the harbour.