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[The Phantom]

3 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

Perhaps the mods should alter the title of the Alf cannon I have a dream one. 

"Alf's had a nightmare; has decided to subject us all to it and take down the whole house of cards"?

I'll change it to that if you're agreeable?

Edited 9 hours ago by The Phantom

[Gladys]

Just now, Happier diner said:

Understand. But if the answer is having a mega I hate government thread, starting a new one? Is that the answer?

Perhaps the mods should alter the title of the Alf cannon I have a dream one. 

The answer is that all these issues are intertwined, you cannot have a separate thread about, say, King Gaming without raising question about immigration processes which then goes back to Alf's dream thread, and then to the Manx Care finances thread (because we don’t levy a health charge on visas) then on to the potential raid on the NI fund.  It is all inter-related inextricably. 

[Happier diner]

Just now, Gladys said:

The answer is that all these issues are intertwined, you cannot have a separate thread about, say, King Gaming without raising question about immigration processes which then goes back to Alf's dream thread, and then to the Manx Care finances thread (because we don’t levy a health charge on visas) then on to the potential raid on the NI fund.  It is all inter-related inextricably. 

What is you point then?

[Gladys]

Just now, Happier diner said:

What is you point then?

That you have got hung up on  nice tidy threads, when actually the issues are complex and tentacled. 

[Happier diner]

1 hour ago, Gladys said:

That you have got hung up on  nice tidy threads, when actually the issues are complex and tentacled. 

I'm not hung up. I just think it's a good idea. It is a good idea. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Happier diner

[Roger Mexico]

26 minutes ago, Moghrey Mie said:

We always seem to reach this stage. 'It's the worst government ever'.

Perhaps it's just mid-term blues and everything looks messy.

Well except that the new Labour government in the UK have been having the same problems after they'd been in barely been in five minutes.   And Cannan looked rudderless and clueless from the moment he was appointed as well, it's just that the whole system here is designed to prevent any change even (especially) when it is urgently needed.

 

[WTF]

39 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

I'm not hung up. I just think it's a good idea. It's is a good idea. 

i think it would be a good idea if you were hung too.

[Tinpot]

2 hours ago, TheTeapot said:

I'm tired of it all

 

You could always just log off then 🤷‍♂️

[Happier diner]

39 minutes ago, WTF said:

i think it would be a good idea if you were hung too.

I am well hung thank you. 🤪

Well, in my dreams I am.

[Tinpot]

Anyone else think it’s a bit harsh to blame Alf’s leadership and this administration for everything that goes wrong when most of the decisions causing issues were made on Howard’s watch and before?

Probably just me, but The King Gaming thing for example hasn’t come about from a policy Alf put forward.  The planning went in for Victoria Road about seven months after Alf became CM and there were probably years of work that went into a design and application of that scale.

The same applies to most things people are unhappy about.

Just saying, plus we voted for them.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Tinpot

[Non-Believer]

Alf is presently just copping for the lot, he's not perfect by any means but what we are seeing now is cumulative and has been building for about 18 years IMHO, hurried on its way by external factors, true, but normally we could weather those.

However, now we left ourselves with no margin or cushion through bad decisions and even a refusal to make decisions in the past. The elephants are no longer just in the room, they've demolished the walls and are stampeding and Alf doesn't have much of a lasso.

[Gladys]

3 minutes ago, Tinpot said:

Anyone else think it’s a bit harsh to blame Alf’s leadership for everything that goes wrong when most of the decisions causing issues were made on Howard’s watch and before?

Probably just me, but The King Gaming thing for example hasn’t come about from a policy Alf put forward.  The planning went in for Victoria Road about seven months after Alf became CM and there were probably years of work that went into a design and application of that scale.

The same applies to most things people are unhappy about.

Just saying.

 

But the responsibility to do something about these things rests with the current lot.   It is not as though many of these issues have just 'popped up', they have been brewing for a long time and this government is past midway through its term, not at the beginning of their term

Also, there are some who were in the previous administration.

 

[Tinpot]

8 minutes ago, Gladys said:

But the responsibility to do something about these things rests with the current lot.   It is not as though many of these issues have just 'popped up', they have been brewing for a long time and this government is past midway through its term, not at the beginning of their term

Also, there are some who were in the previous administration.

 

So give an example of something that is a mess now that the current administration could have done something about?

I will start.  Everyone moans about DOI.  Since the last election they have a completely new management team and the standard of work competed seems to have improved dramatically, especially the paving team which is very public and visible.

Improvements and changes at government scale take years to filter through.

Kicking Alf out is akin to football supporters shouting for a new manager to be fired when he has only had half a season at a club.  They then tend to realise they have nobody better to replace the person they have just hounded out.

Edited 7 hours ago by Tinpot

[Roger Mexico]

14 minutes ago, Tinpot said:

Anyone else think it’s a bit harsh to blame Alf’s leadership and this administration for everything that goes wrong when most of the decisions causing issues were made on Howard’s watch and before?

It would be if he hadn't been Treasury Minister for those five years and so at the heart of every decision made in that period.  And even before that he was Chair of the CSC for three years.  So either he had high level responsibility and insider knowledge for most of that period or he should have had and couldn't be bothered to find out what was going on and just did what he was told.    It might be harsh for someone else, but not for Cannan.

[Non-Believer]

5 minutes ago, Tinpot said:

Improvements and changes at government scale take years to filter through.

Kicking Alf out is akin to football supporters shouting for a new manager to be fired when he has only had half a season at a club.  They then tend to realise they have nobody better to replace the person they have just hounded out.

Herein lies the problem, with the current rate of drain on the reserves, we don't have years, we've left it too long.

Financial pressures in football demand instant results too, that's why managers get no time or margin to build and produce. Results are money and that's all that counts. The fans in our case are the taxpayers who are being put under an increasing burden and seeing nothing but cutbacks and failure in return for parting with their wonga. And those cutbacks are impacting everywhere but Govt itself which continues to increase headcount and payroll pressure. People see this and are saying, "Enough".