Upstream Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Second day in the job and our new Governor is in Tynwald. I wonder what he thinks!! It sounds a good session. Karran, Cannell and Cannan are in good form. Manx Radio now have 3 webcams in Tynwald, with the full meeting agenda and current item displayed. 10 out of 10 to Manx Radio for this facility. Nice one. Link is here: Manx Radio webcam in Tynwald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebees Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Theres no one there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCMR Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Tynwald have been lied to, Mr Delaney asked a question over the so called confidentiality clause regarding Mike Proffits salary, it has now been admitted by the minister that no Clause ever existed, and who told Tynwald that they cant reveal Profits salary because of the Clause, was it not Ned ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teapot Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Tynwald have been lied to, Mr Delaney asked a question over the so called confidentiality clause regarding Mike Proffits salary, it has now been admitted by the minister that no Clause ever existed, and who told Tynwald that they cant reveal Profits salary because of the Clause, was it not Ned ?. Ooops oh dear - I fear it was!!! So what's going to happen now they've found this out? Can I suggest - NOTHING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCMR Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 And they want to get rid of the Governor, Repercussions, no thats the norm Even the cops are at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumlin Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Just heard Mr Corkill speak and he would like to see Legal aid available to all on the Island, is he trying to tell us something. Mr Karran seems to be in good form, going on about the 100 odd new cases of Aids on the Island and he said that he was not aware of any of those being gay. Hes also disclosed that the rent for the AGs office is £800k per year and also Mr Karran is supporting Mr Corkill in his bid to have Legal aid available to all. If they vote a yes on this issue, it would cost the taxpayer £millions per year and cause a break down in what is a poor legal system on the Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahc Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 What's wrong in everyone having access to justice regardless of what you can afford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumlin Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 What's wrong in everyone having access to justice regardless of what you can afford? Because you will always get one who will abuse the help at the cost of others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addie Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 What's wrong in everyone having access to justice regardless of what you can afford? Because you will always get one who will abuse the help at the cost of others That could apply to virtually anything. Almost everything in life is open to abuse by people who think that life owes them some form of priority over others. Justice on serious matters is a basic human right and should (in a well worn phrase) be available to all, free at the point of need. It should not be available free of charge (i.e. paid for by the rest of us) to those who are abusing us and/or the system, or to idiots who spill their coffee and subsequently fall over their own feet on the wet floor and who wouldn't have fallen - they say - if there'd been a 'danger wet-surface' sign up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumlin Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Its very strange when out of the blue Neddy brings this legal aid issue to the floor of Tynwald just as hes involved in several expensive court cases, maybe the Neds need legal aid to fund their trials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahc Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 If someone gave you an ice cream you'd complain that there wasn't a flake in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 On the subject of this meeting of Tynwald and abuse of legal aid, and general abuse of public funds, a matter close to my heart will be raised later concerning the 2001 Road Transport Act. Item number 15. Will see the Minister for Transport move that there should be an extension of one year on the already lengthy transitional period concerning the licensing of taxis. In the last three and half years the Road Transport Licensing Committee has cost the Isle of Man Taxpayer £614,000 to license and regulate the islands taxi industry. This was highlighted yesterday in a question raised by David Cannan MHK, in a question to the transport Minister. Furthermore, it was agreed that the exceptionally high cost was due to the vast amount of legal advice and representation required to counter objections brought about by the Manx Taxi Federation. It appears that in an effort by the Taxi Federation to either stall or hinder the progress of the committee they have caused a huge amount of public money to be spent and have now persuaded the minister to ask Tynwald for an extension so that they may increase this amount even further without any apparent benefit to the taxpayer. Also in this endeavour the transport minister, it seems, has intentions on funding an ‘unmet need’ survey every two years at a cost of £15,000 a time using an off island organisation. If you think taxis are expensive on the Isle of Man, just stop and think about the hidden cost that taxis are costing you. Even if you never use one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 On the subject of this meeting of Tynwald and abuse of legal aid, and general abuse of public funds, a matter close to my heart will be raised later concerning the 2001 Road Transport Act. Item number 15. Will see the Minister for Transport move that there should be an extension of one year on the already lengthy transitional period concerning the licensing of taxis. In the last three and half years the Road Transport Licensing Committee has cost the Isle of Man Taxpayer £614,000 to license and regulate the islands taxi industry. This was highlighted yesterday in a question raised by David Cannan MHK, in a question to the transport Minister. Furthermore, it was agreed that the exceptionally high cost was due to the vast amount of legal advice and representation required to counter objections brought about by the Manx Taxi Federation. It appears that in an effort by the Taxi Federation to either stall or hinder the progress of the committee they have caused a huge amount of public money to be spent and have now persuaded the minister to ask Tynwald for an extension so that they may increase this amount even further without any apparent benefit to the taxpayer. Also in this endeavour the transport minister, it seems, has intentions on funding an ‘unmet need’ survey every two years at a cost of £15,000 a time using an off island organisation. If you think taxis are expensive on the Isle of Man, just stop and think about the hidden cost that taxis are costing you. Even if you never use one! As briefly as I can. Most of the money spent on 'legal advice' was as the result of a court case brought by the (now defunct) Taxi Owners Association. Challenges to items in the Road Traffic Act 2001 have been made by the Manx Taxi Federation because it is, quite simply, an extremely flawed piece of legislation - a fact that has been acknowledged by many legal experts from the High Bailiff down and by numerous MHKs and MLCs. I have personally gone through it with a fine tooth comb and, even as a layman, been astonished at the slapdash way in which such an important document was constructed. Possibly it's greatest flaw was that it created the RTLC as an autonomous body requiring no reference to anyone - not even the Minister of Transport - and filled with local commissioners with little or no intimate knowledge of the taxi trade or of the commercial vehicles (buses, coaches, lorries etc) which they will also licence and control. As to the survey - the recommendation of the MTF was (and is) that there should be a fully independent and complete survey of the taxi trade in order to give the RTLC a baseline on which to work and make it's decisions, and that it should be examined every 2/3 years to see whether demographic or population changes require a new survey to be made. This recommendation was made before the RTLC began it's work and, had it been accepted then, would probably have saved everyone a great deal of trouble. As far as the 'transitional' period is concerned; it was made clear by the then Minister of Transport, Tony Brown, that there were to be no changes to the trade during that period unless it was shown that there was a conclusive case for demonstrating an unmet need. Instead, the RTLC, in it's infinite wisdom, has chosen to flood one district with new licences (an increase of numbers of almost 25%) as well as selectively allowing some licences to operate in more than one district, and issuing further 'Private Hire' licences which also impact on the taxi trade. Had the RTLC chosen to follow it's original brief in maintaining the status quo during the transistional period, it would be hard to see how anyone could have objected to the ending of the district system. Their unnecessary meddling has, however, entirely destroyed the balance that existed and made it essential that the entire question has to be re-visited before such a decision can be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 On the subject of this meeting of Tynwald and abuse of legal aid, and general abuse of public funds, a matter close to my heart will be raised later concerning the 2001 Road Transport Act. Item number 15. Will see the Minister for Transport move that there should be an extension of one year on the already lengthy transitional period concerning the licensing of taxis. In the last three and half years the Road Transport Licensing Committee has cost the Isle of Man Taxpayer £614,000 to license and regulate the islands taxi industry. This was highlighted yesterday in a question raised by David Cannan MHK, in a question to the transport Minister. Furthermore, it was agreed that the exceptionally high cost was due to the vast amount of legal advice and representation required to counter objections brought about by the Manx Taxi Federation. It appears that in an effort by the Taxi Federation to either stall or hinder the progress of the committee they have caused a huge amount of public money to be spent and have now persuaded the minister to ask Tynwald for an extension so that they may increase this amount even further without any apparent benefit to the taxpayer. Also in this endeavour the transport minister, it seems, has intentions on funding an ‘unmet need’ survey every two years at a cost of £15,000 a time using an off island organisation. If you think taxis are expensive on the Isle of Man, just stop and think about the hidden cost that taxis are costing you. Even if you never use one! As briefly as I can. Most of the money spent on 'legal advice' was as the result of a court case brought by the (now defunct) Taxi Owners Association. Challenges to items in the Road Traffic Act 2001 have been made by the Manx Taxi Federation because it is, quite simply, an extremely flawed piece of legislation - a fact that has been acknowledged by many legal experts from the High Bailiff down and by numerous MHKs and MLCs. I have personally gone through it with a fine tooth comb and, even as a layman, been astonished at the slapdash way in which such an important document was constructed. Possibly it's greatest flaw was that it created the RTLC as an autonomous body requiring no reference to anyone - not even the Minister of Transport - and filled with local commissioners with little or no intimate knowledge of the taxi trade or of the commercial vehicles (buses, coaches, lorries etc) which they will also licence and control. As to the survey - the recommendation of the MTF was (and is) that there should be a fully independent and complete survey of the taxi trade in order to give the RTLC a baseline on which to work and make it's decisions, and that it should be examined every 2/3 years to see whether demographic or population changes require a new survey to be made. This recommendation was made before the RTLC began it's work and, had it been accepted then, would probably have saved everyone a great deal of trouble. As far as the 'transitional' period is concerned; it was made clear by the then Minister of Transport, Tony Brown, that there were to be no changes to the trade during that period unless it was shown that there was a conclusive case for demonstrating an unmet need. Instead, the RTLC, in it's infinite wisdom, has chosen to flood one district with new licences (an increase of numbers of almost 25%) as well as selectively allowing some licences to operate in more than one district, and issuing further 'Private Hire' licences which also impact on the taxi trade. Had the RTLC chosen to follow it's original brief in maintaining the status quo during the transistional period, it would be hard to see how anyone could have objected to the ending of the district system. Their unnecessary meddling has, however, entirely destroyed the balance that existed and made it essential that the entire question has to be re-visited before such a decision can be made. As secretary of the Manx Taxi Federation, would you care to disclose exactly how many people in the taxi trade you represent? In addition, the demographic relation to the population of taxi drivers on the Isle of Man? I fear that you will not be willing to disclose such information because you represent a poor minority of militant troublemakers who have little else to worry about. Nothing personal, I actually quite enjoy reading your posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonan3 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 As secretary of the Manx Taxi Federation, would you care to disclose exactly how many people in the taxi trade you represent? In addition, the demographic relation to the population of taxi drivers on the Isle of Man? I fear that you will not be willing to disclose such information because you represent a poor minority of militant troublemakers who have little else to worry about. Nothing personal, I actually quite enjoy reading your posts The actual number of members has been supplied to the RTLC, who agreed that it was more than sufficient to be representative of the trade on the island. Without specifying those numbers - since they are only the concern of the MTF and the trade's governing body - I can confirm that the membership covers all districts, including several in your own district. Admittedly there are, as in any organisation, a small number of 'militant troublemakers,' but they have been increasingly marginalised in recent times and I think it's fair to say that the line we're now pursuing is both rational and reasonable. PS There's nothing to stop you joining and having your say in the way it's run if you wish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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